Heres a couple I did earlier

http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=67245845.jpg

http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=58699566.jpg

Updated the description, updated the files (late last night), and the first PDF guide Mark II now uploaded... Still plenty to-do.

I think I might (besides tweaks to the installers part) keep this pdf as is, with basics section and intro to installers all in one (the installers section which refers to Pic 3 of the basics - so keeping them together especially for the pdf so the user does not have to load up a separate pdf)

Then when this one is final will work on Creating installers pdf, the start section being Simple installers followed in the same pdf with Complex installers.

But first, and tonight, going to put the finishing touches on the TESNexus description and add a list of BAINs currently available, so new users have a bunch to play with.

Sounds good Alt! I'll check them out later - I've got a release to get out the door

That is quite a bit easier to understand now alt3rn1ty.
The instructions are clearer and the yellow balloon text helps alot too.

Thank you both; I have not done much since ( Khettienna distracted me ), the description is nearly done, linked a few BAINs... next will review what has already been mentioned, tweak a bit then move onto Simple/Complex BAIN creation pdf.

You know, a video/picture guide is something I asked for to be created for WB and other tools months ago.
Someone with that Microsoft program which name I don't remember, that uses a video style recording mouse / screen and can use sound/voice would have been nice.

You know, thats a very good idea... Well volunteered that man! , good luck.

More historical notes you may not have come across yet....
http://wryemusings.com/Requesting.html

other amusing tomes...
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/User:Wrye/Somewhat_Acerbic_Modders_Dictionary
and for those rainy days
http://wryemusings.com/Ignored.html

Sorry couldn't resist - Sarcasm asside, it has crossed my mind, but for now it is very low on the to-do possibles (even if I get one of those roundtuits)
But it would be an additional file, not replacing the current method.

Ummm, yeah, please keep your guide as a nice quiet pictorial guide if you don't mind, Alt3rn1ty

http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=35230

Update 25 Oct 2010 - Wrye Bash Basics Guide - Mark III PDF (Including Intro to Installers) Uploaded. All images re-uploaded with a few tweaks to match content of new PDF file.

I think thats the basics and intro to using installers done.

In picture 5 of the basics added selecting check box of mods which was previously missing.

Swapped a couple of the intro to installers pictures around (I think it made more sense to go straight into the Options - Which also for first time users creates the bash installers folder .... previously showing them where the folders should be first, then going to the installers tab and setting options made the user go back and forth a bit = confussed), and amended notes with those.


Work on Creation of Installers has now begun....

http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=8004444WB-Make-0.jpg

http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=5070086WB-Make-1.jpg

That second slide, re-iterates and expands on info given in the previous PDF, because this lot is going to be a separate PDF, venturing into Simple and Complex installer creation.

Edit: Rats!, just spotted a mistake ... Pic 1 of the intro to installers refers to the next picture on install order, next has now become the fourth , will re-do shortly.

Re-uploaded PDF Now Mark IV

Alt3rn1ty,

I cannot believe it took this long for someone to do this : )

So, for all the quasi brain dead tool challenged "mature" people, such as myself, that are mod addicted beyond redemption, and spend way too much time managing mods instead of playing Oblivion, consider this a thank you.

Thanks cubed to the 4 th power.

Tarl

(Note - this is not, in any shape form or, um, whatever comes next, meant to belittle other people's work on documenting how to use Bash; including Wrye, Tom, Psymon, and many others who graciously answered questions throughout the years from hundreds, if not thousands, of perplexed modicts. Your work is heavily appreciated also, and allowed me to at least get to the point of having bash installed and used lightly. Now, only the gods know how far I will advance : )

(Disclaimer noted - and concur) Yes the simple ideas are the best . Thank you.

I'm gonna make a hopefully useful contribution...

I notice that the file manipulation software pictured in the Guide is rather simplistic and cumbersome. There's an excellent freeware file manager called http://www.freecommander.com/ that is not only full-featured but, once properly configured in dual-pain mode, makes file management a breeze. I've tried other freeware file managers designed to work with Vista and Win7 64-bit. This one, for me, has by far the most logical window arrangement for those who do a lot of moving/copying of files between directories/partitions. http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn303/Decrepit_Waste/ESIV%20errors/FreeCommander2.jpg showing both a portion of my Bash Installers directory and my BAIN package building directory (with the Elsweyr-Anequina BAIN folder highlighted).

(OOPS! Looking at my Bash Installers window reminds me that I still need to remove older versions of the several AWLS packages.)

-Decrepit-

Weeell, back in the days of the amiga these kind of things were preferable sometimes, X-Copy Pro and OPUS come to mind, earlier on PC's too we had a superb program called X-Tree Gold (in fact I think theres a PC conversion of OPUS aswell) which could do dual windows for a source and destination and allow W.I.M.P (windows, icon, mouse, pointer) interface to execute DOS commands not so easily useable otherwise. Another one on the amiga was simply called Browser, loved that one, you could script your own menu functions to do anything you wanted with AmigaDOS limited only by your scripting imagination.....

These days, for me Windows 7 side-by side auto-resizing of windows does the job for me, with a couple of registry edits for extra right click pop-up options.....
http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=2645964Untitled.jpg

Saving the following snips of code using notepad to CopyTo.reg file and MoveTo.reg file (they need to end with .reg not notepads default .txt), then double click to get windows to register them...

Copy To....

Move To....

Oh yeah heres the Open With Notepad one too...

http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=8806243Untitled2.jpg

Using Copy to and Move to you dont really need a source and destination window, because those commands open a dialogue asking you where you want the file copied/moved to ( windows remembers the last destination too, mine for instance is permanently remembering Bash Installers )

I considered suggesting people try windows explorer Tree Views, which would look pretty much the same as Free Commander in use (I have no doubt Free Commander adds more functionality but for our purposes its just replicating what windows can already do), but depending on how they enable that they may have trouble getting back to folders views or whatever they are comfortable with (and then you have to show people how to do that in XP, Vista and 7) so kept it simple instead.

The windows in the guide look awkward because I just resized and bunched them to make the shots smaller, I dont really want to go suggesting people install extra software for different parts of the guide, suggestions for the PDF were necessary ( and knowing some will use Adobe's bloatware made me cringe slightly at the suggestion of using PDF's ) - I think for the purpose of the guide adding more and more installations is going to put people off, its complicated enough for some (after all they have already had to endure solving the intricate quirks of getting Wrye Bash going first).

HEY! I was just trying to suggest a nice convenient package to house all your images that everybody could access. Hmph! If there's an alternative, then by all means Personally I didn't like the idea of a bunch of loose images that I had to use preview to go through. At least Adobe's bloatware is free and is indexed

Oh no offense, the suggestion was a good one, I like pdf's very much, just the thought of Adobe installing the world on your HD in case you might one day purchase the full version which unlocks all those otherwise redundant files allowing creation/editing. Wish they just provided the reader initially. Edit: I believe they are working on sandboxing it too at the moment, so that security exploits are not so easily executed... just a bit overdue, but thats Adobe for ya, if its not a threat to their sales turnover or obfuscated advertising/tracking methods it dont get looked at - But thats another story.

And just to clarify - I wasn't really offended Just jerking your chain more than anything Man, acrobat is bloated though... I also have an old version of the standard version on my Mac (the one that's editable) - it's useless! You still have to create your file in something else. Anyway enough grumbling.

The pictorial guide works very well. Now I just have to find time to go through it all again - especially since I'm probably looking at having to create BAIN packages and scripts for my mod! Somehow I don't think a pictorial guide to BAIN scripting (wizard.txt) would help much, would it?

Top banana , I've had a few positive comments which has given me a bit of leeway to move on (knowing I am not seriously messing up anyones day with bad advice) and come back to the first guide later.

:) hmm, wizards, they have crossed my mind a few times in the last couple of days, I have dabbled with them a few times, made a couple of my own but dont feel confident enough yet to be blabbing to the world how to use them. For the time being the mention in the description is about as close as I will get.

We should be able to cast a spell and they're done - they're called wizards afterall Same thing with Ikea furniture. I don't understand why I can't just buy a hammer from them, drop it on the floor, activate it and have my shelving unit appear... Bad joke in reference to one of my mods... Oh well, one day maybe :sigh:

I did just find some http://wryebash.netai.net/wizards.html on creating wizards though - wow documentation for something!! If you haven't seen that, it might help.

Yep its in the Wrye Bash.html file in mopy too (which is the same as the above and a lot more up to date than that linked info now, I know PacificMorrowind has already edited that in the 290 release to include http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1114316-relz-wrye-bash-thread-50/page__view__findpost__p__16455529).. I just need time one day to chew through it properly ( as opposed to doing the typical male standard approach to D.I.Y finding you have bits left over only to realise the bin men have whisked away the instructions already )

I don't think much discussion of BAIN wizards is suitable for this tutorial.
It's a pretty advanced topic for an introductory tutorial.

andalaybay:
You mean there should be a wizard for BAIN wizards? That might actually be doable

I haven't played with the BAIN wizards yet myself but I'm an old hat at programming so if ya need any help, I'm happy to do what I can.
I need to learn anyway. If you ever made an omod script, I don't think you will have too much trouble with BAIN's anyhow.

Yeah, I was really just joking anyway. I really don't think a pictorial guide would help with creating BAIN wizards or even OBMM scripts for that matter:) However a wizard to create BAIN wizards sounds like a marvelous idea! I'm a semi-retired programmer/anolyst and am at the point where learning the intricacies of OBSE is quite enough to occupy me

Well Monkey Fans, Installers Advanced Guide - MarkII PDF now up on nexus

This is the first public showing, and I am not uploading all images to nexus until I am happy with the content of this, considering this latest batch of images will have to follow the first lot in sequence and they need to be uploaded in reverse order.... feeding them up with every update is getting ridiculous

Getting them uploaded to Nexus is harder than writing the guides Finally got through the previous version of the basic guide and the yellow balloons made it much easier. I'll check this out.

Offer the pics as zipped download as an alternate for the PDF
You can also use the TESNexus Description section to create an index of links to the pics, so you don't have to sort them on the images tab.

You can get the image addresses by enlarging the image on the image tab, r-click and Copy Image Location
like http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/images/35230-1-1288029280.jpg