It's gone very quiet around here.

Not necessarily. Many mods of this type have should have one or more subrecords imported and then be deactivated. Examples of mods like this include Agar's more varied spell sounds (import sound and disable), Fine Weapons (import graphics and disable), and all the NPC faces mods (import NPCFaces and disable). Some others (like Atmospheric Loading Screens) should remain active in your load order.

Vac (wonders what the point of that last post is...)

Wrye, I always meant to tell you how enjoyable my game is to play because of your genius utility. Just recently I made a few eye mod .esp's into .esm's so that I could use them on all characters. I wouldn't have been able to do that without Wrye Bash utility and your carefully worded instructions I was nervous as h*ll but I read every word twice, three times in your instructions before proceeding.

I just downloaded and installed this, and have to say it's a very handy tool :goodjob: It takes a bit time to learn it's features, i'm sure. Speaking of which..

I tried to build a bashed patch, and now when i have it activated the game crashes before even making to the Bethesda logo, something tells me i did something wrong Any tips for a newbie?

I realize this is a little like the blind leading the blind but check out http://www.gamesas.com/bgsforums/index.php?showtopic=966640&st=0 which helped me out a lot, good luck!


Edit: Tags and load order are everything.

Which 'last post'?

Hey Wrye,

First of all, thank you very much for this wonderful tool. I've been using Wrye Bash for quite some time under WINE (In Linux), but one thing has always bugged me. In balt.py in the showWryeLog function, you import wx.lib.iewin and use it to display HTML logs in IE. The call to textCtrl.Navigate always fails on my system because there's no IE installation on Linux. I was wondering if you could implement a fallback behavior to displaying a text version if the call to Navigate fails, like with the showLog function. In fact, I'd be happy to just see the raw HTML : ) It would be nice to finally be able to know whether the Content Checker actually found anything to fix : )

thx,
Myk

Fail on start: Usually due to a reference to dependency on a mod that is not loaded.

Linux: I won't be doing and doubt that PM will be doing it either. It is doable, but most likely someone who is running linux will have to write the code and submit it.

BUMP.

Hi, I have a problem. I've been using wrye bash for months without any trouble, but today, when I went to rebuild my bashed patch, I couldn't get it to recognize that a plug-in I had deleted was no longer in my list of masters. I rebuilt the bashed patch twice, and each time it turned out red, the plug in was still in the list (though not checked). I then swapped the bashed patch with a fresh one from the MOPY extras folder and tried again. Same result. I doublechecked my list of plug-ins, the one that is stored in AppData, and the plug-in was not on that list, nor was it listed in OBMM when I opened it. Wrye Bash is the only thing (far as I know) that still thinks it exists in my data folder. Can anyone suggest what I might do? Or what I might be doing wrong? Thanks!!

Hey just dropping by to thank you for the fix you made for the Fast4MM heap included in the OSR! Works great now.

When you rebuild your bashed patch, check through all the options, particularly things like the import options and check that the (now missing) plugin is not selected there. Also, make sure that your load order doesn't include any plugins that are dependant on said plugin, again, paying particular attention to those merged and imported plugins which aren't active and therefore may not appear to be the obvious problem.

Why? All you're doing is putting extra posts between your legitimate query and the end of the thread. There's really no need to bump.

Vac

Thanks! That did it. I should know better than to scour my very long list of plug-ins when I'm too tired to give it my full attention. Enjoy the weekend!

But how can you be sure? Bash thinks the mod can be fully merged, else it wouldn't list it as mergeable, but the author for some reason felt that it shouldn't be merged and thus added the NoMerge Bash tag.

An example of this would be Race Balancing Project. Most of the bgBalancingEV...esp files are fully mergeable, but a couple such as "bgBalancingEVOptionalNPCDiversity, TNR Merge Better Redguards.esp" is both green, marked as mergeable by Bash, but has the NoMerge Bash tag. As far as I can tell, no errors either way - merging and deactivate or not merging and activate (or even merging and activate), but I can't tell if it's not working one way or the other. Which leads me to wonder why I'm using the mod in the first place if I can't tell any difference, but that's another story.

I guess I'm wondering that if the NoMerge Bash tag is so important, why Bash doesn't automatically take that and leave the mod black and mark it as non-mergeable.

Thanks,

-RMWChaos

I just got this message when going to the Installers Tab.

Traceback (most recent call last):  File "D:\Oblivion\Mopy\basher.py", line 3002, in OnShowPage    self.GetPage(event.GetSelection()).OnShow()  File "D:\Oblivion\Mopy\basher.py", line 2037, in OnShow    if data.refresh(progress,what,self.fullRefresh):  File "D:\Oblivion\Mopy\bosh.py", line 10047, in refresh    self.dictFile.load()  File "D:\Oblivion\Mopy\bosh.py", line 187, in load    result = bolt.PickleDict.load(self)  File "D:\Oblivion\Mopy\bolt.py", line 808, in load    self.data.update(cPickle.load(ins))  File "D:\Oblivion\Mopy\bosh.py", line 9039, in __setstate__    self.refreshDataSizeCrc()  File "D:\Oblivion\Mopy\bosh.py", line 9077, in refreshDataSizeCrc    skipDocs = settings['bash.installers.skipDocs']  File "D:\Oblivion\Mopy\bolt.py", line 676, in __getitem__    return self.data[key]KeyError: 'bash.installers.skipDocs'

I can't acces the installers tab properly anymore now. Any help?

That's exceedingly easy to answer. Learn what the mods do and how Bash works. If you understand what the plugin does in terms of records and subrecords and you understand how bash merges plugins and imports subrecords then you will understand exactly why one plugin is mergable and why another plugin is not. If you don't understand how these things work then you pretty much have to assume that bg2408 and other modders know what they're doing and have tagged their mods correctly. bg2408 isn't going to mistag one of his plugins except as a genuine mistake, which I am sure he'd fix very quickly, other modders, well, as a general rule I'd hope they wouldn't mistag, but there have been a few instances.

If you wish to understand this stuff get TES4View and start looking at how things work, it's not rocket science.

Vac

Would it be a pain in the butt to make Wrye Bash multithreaded?

A question about BAIN.

If you have a mod with several subpackage folders, what's the priority on the order those get installed if you have two versions of files with the same name?

Reason I ask is because I want to include higher detail versions of some meshes in RAEVWD as an option and they'll obviously need to be the same filenames as the lower detail versions in the 00 Core folder. Will the ones in the higher numbered folder overwrite these or is this determined at random?

In this case you can tell by looking at the other bash tags (and also bg's readme I believe).

bgBalancingEVOptionalNPCDiversity, TNR Merge Better Redguards.esp is tagged as NoMerge, Invent, NPCFaces.

When you see a mod tagged like this typically you should import Inventory and NPCFaces in bash and leave the mod deactivated.

Making any program thread-safe is generally pretty challenging, and is often a source of bugs. For some programs it's worth the trouble, but what would be the point in this case? Bash isn't exactly CPU-bound.

Quick question: I know how to alter dates and such on mods in Wrye Bash to avoid conflicts, but how do I add bash tags? If I click on the gray box at the bottom, I get a cursor, but I can't type anything in it.

I was more wondering if it would speed up the loading of Bain and bashed patch creation.

I'll double check later this evening but IIRC the last items will override the first items - ie contents of folder '20 high detail meshes will overrided both those from '10 something else meshes' and '00 base'.
Pacific Morrowin

Yes that is how it works for the ones I make.

also optional textures can be put in higher ordered sub-packages and the original in the core. So you could have several alternates that overwrite what is lower.

Good to know, thanks guys. One less thing to worry about