[RELZ]Wrye Bash -- Thread 36 : IV - Oblivion

» Thu Sep 30, 2010 10:40 am

thank you for your work on this PM. just updated and i wanted to make another suggestion for bashed patch feetures. checking all y o ur active mods for greater powers so the y can be used with Cobl Exhaustion?

http://www.gamesas.com/bgsforums/index.php?s=&showtopic=1079336&view=findpost&p=15729467

I think the problem is that (when updating the patch) Bash doesn't seem to realize that Cobl is installed. Like so:

Active Mod Files:00  Oblivion.esm01  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.72]==  FIRST====================02  DLCShiveringIsles.esp==  LIBRARY==================03  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 1.72]04  Cobl Si.esp  [Version 1.63]==  BASH=====================05  Bashed Patch 0.esp

When I update the patch with nothing but Cobl Catalogs and Cobl Exhaustion (with both of the included _Exhaust files ticked), nothing happens:

Bashed Patch 0.esp?  OverviewOverviewDate/Time?  09 Mar 10 12:42:09 PM Active Mods?  00 DLCShiveringIsles.esp?  01 Cobl Glue.esp [Version 1.72]?  02 Cobl Si.esp [Version 1.63]

I http://www.gamesas.com/bgsforums/index.php?s=&showtopic=1079336&view=findpost&p=15731411. I know that you've been busy with real problems, PM, but hopefully now that things seem to be going smoothly you can get a chance to investigate this.

Thanks!

» Thu Sep 30, 2010 2:01 am

I think the problem is that (when updating the patch) Bash doesn't seem to realize that Cobl is installed. Like so:

Active Mod Files:00  Oblivion.esm01  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.72]==  FIRST====================02  DLCShiveringIsles.esp==  LIBRARY==================03  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 1.72]04  Cobl Si.esp  [Version 1.63]==  BASH=====================05  Bashed Patch 0.esp

When I update the patch with nothing but Cobl Catalogs and Cobl Exhaustion (with both of the included _Exhaust files ticked), nothing happens:

Bashed Patch 0.esp?  OverviewOverviewDate/Time?  09 Mar 10 12:42:09 PM Active Mods?  00 DLCShiveringIsles.esp?  01 Cobl Glue.esp [Version 1.72]?  02 Cobl Si.esp [Version 1.63]

I http://www.gamesas.com/bgsforums/index.php?s=&showtopic=1079336&view=findpost&p=15731411. I know that you've been busy with real problems, PM, but hopefully now that things seem to be going smoothly you can get a chance to investigate this.

Thanks!

Sorry keep meaning to respond and not getting around to it.
I've done a quick investigation and unfortunately it hasn't gone well... (I'm not on my usual computer today so the versions on here are not up to date -- except for Bash since I have my dev files of that on a thumb on my keychain

)... here's my patch log just now:

Overview Date/Time?  09/03/2010 2:06:28 PM  Active Mods?  00 Oblivion.esm ?  01 Cybiades.esm [Version 2.0] ?  02 TR_OoT_Main.esm ?  03 Hammerfell.esm ?  04 Jog_X_Mod.esm ?  05 Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm ?  06 Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm ?  07 CLS-ClassyClothes.esm ?  08 Tamrielic Ingredients.esm ?  09 Cobl Main.esm [Version 1.70] ?  0A Qarls_Harvest.esm ?  0B Harvest[Containers].esm ?  0C Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm [Version 1.34Beta3] ?  0D Mart's Monster Mod.esm [Version 3.7b3] ?  0E Diverse Wisps - Base.esm ?  0F Gems and Gem Dusts.esm ?  10 Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esm ?  11 CyrodiilUpgradeResourcePack.esm ?  12 FCOM_Convergence.esm [Version 0.9.9a7] ?  13 Armamentarium.esm [Version 1.2.2] ?  14 Kvatch Rebuilt.esm ?  15 Progress.esm [Version 2.0] ?  16 OblivionMountProject.esm ?  17 CM Partners.esm ?  18 PMSneakySummons.esm ?  19 UnnecessaryViolence.esm ?  1A MALO - MAIN.esm ?  1B SoVvM.esm ?  1C AdventurersItemMod.esp ?  1D Self-Preservation v1.0.esp ?  1E Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp ?  1F UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp [Version 1.0.0] ?  20 Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp ?  21 Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp [Version 1.4.0] ?  22 FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp [Version 0.9.9] ?  23 LoadingScreensAddOn.esp ?  24 AliveWaters.esp ?  25 AliveWaters - Koi Addon.esp ?  26 AliveWaters - Slaughterfish Addon.esp ?  27 AdventurersAlchemy.esp ?  28 CLS-Sailboats.esp ?  29 Corpse Equip Automatic.esp ?  2A Cryptic's Buyable Ayleid Dining Sets.esp ?  2B Buyable Ayldeid Dishes.esp ?  2C CT-Com's Torch Compendium.esp ?  2D Happyhannah's Wines.esp [Version 1.1] ?  2E kalikuts_bracelets.esp ?  2F More_Vegetables.esp ?  30 Mud Crabs!_coMbO.esp ?  31 Q - More and Moldy Ingredients v1.1.esp ?  32 Qarls_Harvest.esp ?  33 Redecoration.esp ?  34 Shield on Back 3.1.esp ?  35 TryBeforeYouBuy.esp ?  36 C&C - The Blackwood Company.esp ?  37 Map Markers Be Done -Elys-.esp ?  38 Landmarks, w Wells.esp [Version 1.10] ?  39 DLCHorseArmor.esp ?  3A DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.5] ?  3B DLCOrrery.esp ?  3C DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.3] ?  3D DLCVileLair.esp ?  3E DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.5] ?  3F DLCMehrunesRazor.esp ?  40 DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.4] ?  41 DLCSpellTomes.esp ?  42 Adonnays Classical Weaponry.esp ?  43 Adonnays Elven Weaponry.esp ?  44 CapesandCloaks.esp ?  45 DivineShields.esp ?  46 FrostAtronachArmor.esp ?  47 KDDwemerSpectacles.esp ?  48 M.O.E. - Playable Scythe.esp [Version 2] ?  49 RingOfWings v3.esp [Version 3.05] ?  4A LichGear.esp ?  4B 300_Brocade_Outfits.esp ?  4C DLCThievesDen.esp ?  4D DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.5] ?  4E DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp [Version 1.0.4] ?  4F Fran Armor Add-on.esp ?  50 Fran_Lv30Item_Maltz.esp ?  51 Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp ?  52 Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp ?  53 Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp ?  54 Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp ?  55 KDCircletsOOOOptimized - NPC Equip.esp [Version 1.2] ?  56 ExnemRuneskulls.esp ?  57 Slof's Oblivion Robe Trader.esp ?  58 Cobl Si.esp [Version 1.63] ?  59 OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp [Version 1.69] ?  5A Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp ?  5B FCOM_BobsArmory.esp [Version 0.9.9] ?  5C Loth's Blunt Weapons for Npcs.esp ?  5D Oblivion WarCry EV.esp ?  5E FCOM_WarCry.esp [Version 0.9.9] ?  5F Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp [Version 1.34Beta3] ?  60 OOO-Map_Markers_Stock.esp [Version 1.33] ?  61 OOO-No_Guild_Ownership.esp [Version 1.33] ?  62 ArmamentariumArtifacts.esp [Version 1.2.2] ?  63 Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp ?  64 Mart's Monster Mod - Additional Enemy NPC Vars.esp [Version 3.7b1] ?  65 Mart's Monster Mod - Gems & Gem Dust.esp [Version 3.7b1] ?  66 Gems and Gem Dusts - MMM.esp [Version 0.9] ?  67 Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp [Version 3.7b1] ?  68 Mart's Monster Mod - Vindasel.esp [Version 3.6Beta3] ?  69 Mart's Monster Mod - Foxes.esp [Version 3.7b1] ?  6A Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp [Version 3.7b1] ?  6B Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life.esp [Version 3.7b1] ?  6C Mart's Monster Mod - City Defences.esp [Version 3.7b1] ?  6D Mart's Monster Mod - Extra Wounding.esp [Version 3.7b1] ?  6E Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp [Version 1.4] ?  6F Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Haunted Head.esp [Version 1] ?  70 MMM - Playable Undead Armors.esp ?  71 Mart's Monster Mod - Durzog Addon.esp [Version 0.10] ?  72 Jade Dishes for MMM - HnC.esp ?  73 Master-Crafting-1.1-MMM.esp ?  74 Master-Crafting-1.1-MMM Greaves fix.esp ?  75 Qarls_Harvest addon_MMM.esp ?  76 Shield on Back Plugin - OOO.esp ?  77 C&C - The Blackwood Company - OOO.esp ?  78 Ivellon.esp [Version 1.7a] ?  79 300_White Stallion 4.esp ?  7A AlchemistsCave-COBL.esp ?  7B BD&R - Deepgrave.esp ?  7C CDEP-UnderpallCave.esp ?  7D Gaenor in Dementia.esp [Version 2] ?  7E Legion Faction Mod.esp ?  7F LetThePeopleDrink.esp [Version 2.5] ?  80 LostSwordOfTheAylied.esp ?  81 LostSwordOfTheAylied - OBSE Add-On.esp ?  82 M.O.E. - Tools of Kagrenac - The Secret of White Gold Tower.esp [Version 6] ?  83 OMPexample.esp ?  84 Region Revive - Lake Rumare.esp ?  85 The Ayleid Steps.esp [Version 2.5.2] ?  86 Ayleid Respawn v1.0 - For The Ayleid Steps.esp ?  87 thievery.esp ?  88 TR_Stirk.esp ?  89 treasure maps v1.esp ?  8A Treasure Maps Blood Ransom.esp ?  8B Treasure Maps Meridias Womb.esp ?  8C Treasure Maps Revenge Of The Nords.esp ?  8D Thorlak Island.esp ?  8E Unique Dungeons - Lichs Lair.esp ?  8F Unique Dungeons - Lost Glory.esp ?  90 VHBloodlines 1.2.esp [Version 1.4] ?  91 WeynonRetreat.esp ?  92 Arena_BattlesV1.1.esp ?  93 DLCBattlehornCastle.esp ?  94 DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.4] ?  95 DLCfrostcrag.esp ?  96 Knights.esp ?  97 Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.9] ?  98 M.O.E. - Visit Valen Dreth Topic.esp [Version 1] ?  99 Cybiades.esp [Version 2.1] ?  9A CybiadesDungeon.esp ?  9B The Lost Spires.esp ?  9C Ungarion1TheWelkyndSword.esp [Version 1.4] ?  9D Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esp ?  9E road+bridges.esp [Version 4.3.1] ?  9F Faregyl.esp [Version 1.0.7] ?  A0 LostSpires-DarkForest patch.esp ?  A1 xulTheHeath.esp ?  A2 XulEntiusGorge.esp ?  A3 ULFallenLeafEverglade.esp ?  A4 xulFallenleafEverglade.esp ?  A5 LostSpires-Everglade patch.esp ?  A6 xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp ?  A7 xulChorrolHinterland.esp ?  A8 xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp ?  A9 xulBravilBarrowfields.esp ?  AA LostSpires-BravilBarrowfields patch.esp ?  AB xulLushWoodlands.esp ?  AC xulAncientYews.esp ?  AD xulAncientRedwoods.esp ?  AE xulCloudtopMountains.esp ?  AF xulArriusCreek.esp ?  B0 xulPatch_AY_AC.esp [Version 1.1] ?  B1 xulRollingHills_EV.esp ?  B2 xulRiverEthe.esp ?  B3 xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp [Version 1.0] ?  B4 xulImperialIsle.esp ?  B5 NRB4+UL-II+LtPD Patch.esp [Version 2.0.2] ?  B6 Harvest [Flora].esp [Version 3.0.0] ?  B7 Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp [Version 3.0.0] ?  B8 LastUnicorn.esp ?  B9 M.O.E. - Lycanthropy and Lichcraft.esp [Version 7] ?  BA M.O.E. - New Classes.esp [Version 1] ?  BB P1DKeychain for COBL.esp [Version 4.30] ?  BC RTSWelkyndClstrTreasure.esp [Version 2.0] ?  BD Toggleable Quantity Prompt.esp [Version 3.00] ?  BE CLS-Craftybits.esp ?  BF Quest Award Leveller.esp [Version 2.0.1] ?  C0 Quest Award Leveller - Vile Lair.esp [Version 2.1.0] ?  C1 Quest Award Leveller - Knights of the Nine.esp [Version 2.1.0] ?  C2 M.O.E. - Fatigue Loss from Running.esp [Version 1] ?  C3 M.O.E. - Vampire Clan Raelu.esp [Version 6] ?  C4 M.O.E. - Vampire Players Scarier.esp [Version 2] ?  C5 Divine Magicka.esp ?  C6 ForecastersWill.esp ?  C7 M.O.E. - Mythic Dawn Powers.esp [Version 1] ?  C8 M.O.E. - Teleportation Magic and Icarian Flight.esp [Version 2] ?  C9 PJs Spell Compendium - Spell Requirements.esp ?  CA Silj's Martigen's Monster Mod summmon spells and conjuration compendium.esp ?  CB sr_enhanced_magic_system.esp ?  CC AgarVariedSpellSounds_SupremeMagicka.esp ?  CD SupremeMagicka.esp [Version 0.84] ?  CE SM_ShiveringIsles.esp [Version 0.84] ?  CF SM_EnchantStaff.esp [Version 0.80] ?  D0 Enchantment Enhanced.esp ?  D1 EnchantmentRestore.esp ?  D2 SM Combat Hide.esp [Version 1.1] ?  D3 No psychic guards harder v1.2.esp ?  D4 RenGuardOverhaul.esp ?  D5 RenGuardOverhaulShiveringIsles.esp ?  D6 Duke Patricks - Near Miss Magic And Arrow Shots Alert The Target.esp ?  D7 Duke Patricks - NPC MAGIC and Arrows Can Miss Now.esp ?  D8 Enhanced Mercantile Progress.esp [Version 1.0a] ?  D9 CLS-OldFriends-OBSE.esp ?  DA SniperSneakSkillup.esp ?  DB ProgressMBSP.esp [Version 1.0] ?  DC ProgressSBSP.esp [Version 1.0] ?  DD Legendary Abilities-Reflect MOJ.esp ?  DE Grandmaster of Alchemy.esp ?  DF OOO-Level_Stock.esp [Version 1.33] ?  E0 actors_in_charge.esp ?  E1 ActorsInMadness.esp ?  E2 ActorsInEmotions.esp ?  E3 M.O.E. - Playable Dremora and Custom Race Fix.esp [Version 1] ?  E4 bgBalancingEVCore.esp [Version 10.0EV-D] ?  E5 bgMagicEV.esp [Version 1.62EV] ?  E6 bgMagicBonus.esp [Version 1.62EV] ?  E7 bgMagicEVPaperChase.esp [Version 1.62EV] ?  E8 bgBalancingOptionalNPCDiversityKvatchRebuilt, for Wrye Bash.esp [Version 9.0EV-D] ?  E9 bgBalancingEVLAMEAddition.esp [Version 10.0EV-D] ?  EA bgBalancingEVOptionalNPCDiversityLAME.esp [Version 10.0EV-D] ?  EB bgIntegrationEV.esp [Version 0.899] ?  EC Willful Resistance.esp [Version 2.0] ?  ED No More Annoying Comments.esp ?  EE bgMagicLightningbolt.esp ?  EF UnnecessaryViolence.esp ?  F0 Cobl Silent Equip Misc.esp [Version 01] ?  F1 FormID Finder.esp ?  F2 FCOM_Convergence.esp [Version 0.9.9] ?  F3 FCOM_RealSwords.esp [Version 0.9.9] ?  F4 FCOM_DurabilityAndDamage.esp [Version 0.9.9] ?  F5 WellofRebirth.esp ?  F6 FCOM_LichArmor.esp ?  F7 AHFS.esp ?  F8 Playable Dremora Armor.esp ?  F9 Vile Lair modifications.esp ?  FA encumbranceX20.esp ?  FB FCOM_divineshields.esp  Cobl Catalogs?  Ingredients Cataloged: 856 ?  Effects Cataloged: 107  Cobl Exhaustion?  Powers Tweaked: 131 ?  Oblivion.esm: 28 ?  Cobl Main.esm: 38 ?  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm: 1 ?  DLCOrrery.esp: 8 ?  Oblivion WarCry EV.esp: 5 ?  bgBalancingEVCore.esp: 51

... same thing but less chnages if I do it with just Oblivion.esm and Cobl Main.... I really abhor bug that I can't replicate... eh wait a second I just had an idea... testing I'll report back in 5 or so

Pacific Morrowind

» Thu Sep 30, 2010 12:21 am

Okay, so, I don't know how the game determines what spells a spell vendor sells... do they just sell every spell they know? If so, can the Bashed Patch merge that data? If not, then how? And again, can the Bashed Patch merge THAT data?

» Thu Sep 30, 2010 9:20 am

I mentioned I figured out how to fix that last page too... I'll upload a fixed file wiht that (and some other stuff too); or in the mean time on line 9890 you can replace .iteritems() with .items()
Pacific Morrowind

Perfect...

I lost my installers tab again..This time i found this line in the file you don't seam to mention....theres alot of files in the mopy folder. but only one had line 9890 with that on the line. so i changed it and it works!!!!

» Thu Sep 30, 2010 7:35 am

http://www.gamesas.com/bgsforums/index.php?s=&showtopic=1079336&view=findpost&p=15729467

oops i missed that sorry i feal like an idiot now. wh ere would i find this or how would i get it does anyone know by chance?

» Wed Sep 29, 2010 10:48 pm

I downloaded the 2.78b version but get the v2.79 instead. I don't know if I missed something, maybe an update from v2.78 to v2.79 ?

» Thu Sep 30, 2010 11:35 am

I downloaded the 2.78b version but get the v2.79 instead. I don't know if I missed something, maybe an update from v2.78 to v2.79 ?

The 2.78b version incorrectly reports as 279. Really, though, just go for 279.

» Wed Sep 29, 2010 11:37 pm

oops i missed that sorry i feal like an idiot now. wh ere would i find this or how would i get it does anyone know by chance?

To get Bash to do Cobl Exhaustion on all the powers, simply tick "Cobl Exhaustion" on the left pane when you rebuild your patch. On the right pane should be a list of files that list GPs from various mods and the Exhaust ratio for each. I think Bash ships with two default files but you can make your own by using the Export Names function, trimming out everything that isn't a GP, and formatting the file similar to the default ones.

That is, it's supposed to work that way... I'm currently having trouble with it. :huh:

» Thu Sep 30, 2010 8:11 am

Okay, so, I don't know how the game determines what spells a spell vendor sells... do they just sell every spell they know? If so, can the Bashed Patch merge that data? If not, then how? And again, can the Bashed Patch merge THAT data?

Yes NPCs sell every spell they know; currently the Bashed Patch just copies the last loading mods' that changes a particular NPC's record spell list as one unit... but not for long; I have a 90% completed function Import Spells which will properly merge changes to the spells list ala Import Inventory.

Perfect...

I lost my installers tab again..This time i found this line in the file you don't seam to mention....theres alot of files in the mopy folder. but only one had line 9890 with that on the line. so i changed it and it works!!!!

Oh bother, should have mentioned the file I guess; bad programmer thing that - autopresuming that everyone would understand from the snippet of bugdump which file it was... sorry, yes it was in bosh.py.

I downloaded the 2.78b version but get the v2.79 instead. I don't know if I missed something, maybe an update from v2.78 to v2.79 ?

get rid of 278b fast - significant bugs... and getting the real 279.

That is, it's supposed to work that way... I'm currently having trouble with it. :huh:

hmm my edit of my last post didn't stick... wasn't able to reproduce sorry

Pacific Morrowind

» Thu Sep 30, 2010 7:36 am

Pacific Morrowind-

Whoa - did I http://www.gamesas.com/bgsforums/index.php?showtopic=1079747&view=findpost&p=15747590 this right?

Are you going to update Wrye Mash too?

» Thu Sep 30, 2010 9:49 am

Pacific Morrowind-

Whoa - did I http://www.gamesas.com/bgsforums/index.php?showtopic=1079747&view=findpost&p=15747590 this right?

Are you going to update Wrye Mash too?

yep you did read that right... almost done my updates that I want to for the next version (hoping to get it out in the next week or so)
Pacific Morrowind

» Thu Sep 30, 2010 1:54 am

typos fixed, thanks.
Icons in 16 and 32, done!; good idea.
sCustom#txt fixed, thanks.
If you have improved/better icons I'd be happy to use them instead (not my strongsuit that)... or other suggestions of programs to include in launchers.
I thought I'd made 32/16 for all of the icons... what ones are missing?
I'll add BSA Commander in, thanks. (just a quick question: what's the default path/exe name?)

Wrye279

Umm, BSA commander doesn't have a install path really. You just unzip it anywhere you want, but here is the logical windows path:
C:\Program Files\BSA Commander\bsacmd.exe
*NOTE* the actual folder it is in the download is bsacmd\bsacmd.exe. I just renamed it full and tossed it in the program files folder. This keeps the huge amount of extracted files out of the oblivion neighborhood until one is ready to move/work with the files. Oblivion folder/Fallout folder etc within the BSA folder. A simple archive structure then starts with Vanilla Oblivion/Meshes*Texs whatever or Lost Spires/Meshes*tex etc. Whatever.
Plus it keeps things right where I want them for Pyffi testing with the automated tools.

The java apps need icons.
The OBMM button points to the database_connect32.png Should be obmm16 or 32.png
The TES4LODGen button points to the brick_go32.png Is this icon used for representing other things? Tes 4 edit bricks also?
Maybe they should be named accordingly with their own icons.
It would be nice to be able to disable the tes4view/tes4trans/tes4edit buttons in the ini, so if one only need one or two of them, the others can be temporarily disabled.
Also if the 32 size green and red boxes are supposed to be showing up(obse & auto quit buttons) when launched with 32 size icons, they are still showing 16.

About the request I mentioned in the PM I sent to you with the icons to have the custom buttons launch a folder path or image files etc also. This would essentially give the custom launch buttons about the same power and functionality as G keys have on a logitech gaming keyboard. I see no reason for text macros with the buttons.
One could set a custom button up to launch G-series keyboard profiler or setpoint if wanted, so they could set up their oblivion profile before playing(the real macros that will be used In-game).

g5 mouse
g11 keyboard 18x3=54gkeys
http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab180/metallicow/OblivionG11Profile.jpg

Also did you ever implement the .txt or whatever to stick in the installer archives so that the user comments wouldn't be lost?

Metallicow

» Wed Sep 29, 2010 7:45 pm

For anyone following my plaintive whining recently, I've finally figured out why my patch wouldn't rebuild properly. If you're using full BALO, and the patch is in any group but LAST or NONE, it won't load ESMs when you rebuild it. I have expanded upon the default BALO groups in my recent re-install, and I had one called "BASH" that I thought would be a good place for the patch and the load-right-before-the-patch mods. Uh, nope.

I emailed PM about it, but thought I'd share it here so anyone else with obsessive organization tendencies like me wouldn't fall into the same trap.

FYI PM, I noticed something to mention for a future version: the INI Edits tab is awesome, but it won't let you install an edit if the line doesn't already exist in the oblivion.ini. For example, with the default oblivion.ini, you can't install the border regions and save backups tweaks that come with Bash.

And I don't know if this has been answered already, but is it possible to define custom icons for the apps you set up in the ini? Oh, and with TESEdit/View/Trans, is it possible to choose which you want to see in the icon row? I only want Edit, but I get View and Trans in addition.

Thanks for your hard work, PM!

» Thu Sep 30, 2010 11:41 am

Feature to add??

It would really be helpful if we could access the read-Me's WHILE on the installers tab.

For now what I do is while making the BAIN folder I copy important info for the mod, when on the install tab i paste it into the comment section.

This works of course but during the last time when i lost use of Bash I also lost all those comments, is there a file one could copy that had those comments and could restore them later if needed?

Again Great program and thanks for the continued hard Work!!

» Thu Sep 30, 2010 11:42 am

I started having a problem with Wrye Bash today. I was using v277 which was working previously but then today it completely failed to start when double-clicked on. I would get the mouse cursor turn into the cursor/hourglass combo for about four seconds then back to the cursor and nothing happening. After this happened, I downloaded the latest Wrye Bash available on TESNexus then copied those files over my current installation. That didn't fix the problem though.

After that, I tried deleting everything inside the Mopy and My Documents folders. I did not delete what was installed into the Data folder and the Installers data since I didn't think those could cause a problem. It didn't work though.

Then I reinstalled all the Python components (Python 2.6.4, wxPython, PyWin, ComTypes and Psyco) but that didn't help either. Then I deleted all the compiled files in the Mopy directory and watched what happened there when I double clicked on the Wrye Bash launcher. Basically, four compiled files appeared, the last one being Bosh.pyc, then it stopped like before. Then I tried editing Bosh.py to replace every instance of IterItems with Items to see what happens but that had as much effect as all the other fixes.

I'm now completely stumped as to what could be causing the problem. Please could someone help in this regard? Help will be greatly appreciated.

P.S. I'm using Windows XP in case that may be a factor (but still, it was working before today on this same OS).

» Wed Sep 29, 2010 11:28 pm

The OBMM button points to the database_connect32.png Should be obmm16 or 32.png
The TES4LODGen button points to the brick_go32.png
...
Also if the 32 size green and red boxes are supposed to be showing up(obse & auto quit buttons) when launched with 32 size icons, they are still showing 16.

Looks like PM already fixed the TES4LOD link, but not OBMM. One of us will fix it for the next version.

The java apps need icons.
,,,
Is this icon used for representing other things? Tes 4 edit bricks also?
Maybe they should be named accordingly with their own icons.

A lot of the original icons were dragged over, so they just have their original names. Changing them to a better name would mean a bit of extra debris in the directory from older versions (because I doubt users would remember/look to delete the old ones) - not much of a problem, but then again generic names isn't much of a problem either.

Java icons - it's just Gecko and the Book Creator. I think we can leave the Cog for Gecko, and get a new one for the Book Creator.

It would be nice to be able to disable the tes4view/tes4trans/tes4edit buttons in the ini, so if one only need one or two of them, the others can be temporarily disabled.

Oh, and with TESEdit/View/Trans, is it possible to choose which you want to see in the icon row? I only want Edit, but I get View and Trans in addition.

Already done (it's been bugging me, too

) - will be in the next version.

About the request I mentioned in the PM I sent to you with the icons to have the custom buttons launch a folder path or image files etc also.

I've already expanded it to handle Java apps. Let me see how smart Python is about handling .txt files, etc. (as in, let me see if it already handles them correctly and I don't have to do anything

).

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FYI PM, I noticed something to mention for a future version: the INI Edits tab is awesome, but it won't let you install an edit if the line doesn't already exist in the oblivion.ini. For example, with the default oblivion.ini, you can't install the border regions and save backups tweaks that come with Bash.

??? Would that do anything? That is, does Oblivion look for .ini settings that aren't in the original/default .ini? and I totally have the save backup var in my .ini - are you using an older version of Oblivion?

And I don't know if this has been answered already, but is it possible to define custom icons for the apps you set up in the ini?

Just copy over an icon and name it custom#16.png where # is the custom # 1-4.

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It would really be helpful if we could access the read-Me's WHILE on the installers tab.

I've thought that myself :evil:

Let's see what can be done.

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I started having a problem with Wrye Bash today...

Launch it from a console (Command Prompt, etc.) and see what the Traceback errors are.

» Thu Sep 30, 2010 3:36 am

Since I'm eternally behind on new features that have been added, and since I just spent a bunch of time cleaning some mods I have two questions:

What, exactly, does Anneal mean?

Is there any function to take the files in the Data directory and copy them back into the archive files? This would be useful in cases where you clean a mod, or alter an ini file, or repair a mesh or texture.

I'm not sure how hard it would be with mesh/textures/other resources, since those can be shared by several mods, but it might not be too difficult with the esp and ini files.

» Thu Sep 30, 2010 11:05 am

What, exactly, does Anneal mean?

Basically it means consolidate the installation, whether installing missing files or replacing files after you changed the order of your packages in the installer.
Install means full installation, anneal just copies the necessary files from the package.

At least that's my understanding of it

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» Thu Sep 30, 2010 12:34 am

I asked this in the BOSS thread but I am going to ask here as it may be more suited for this thread. I have Elaborate Eyes installed and when I use BOSS it auto tags "eyes" and deactivate. When I rebuild the Bashed Patch, I mark "eyes" and rebuild. Works great untill I try to deactivate Elaborate Eyes at which time it deactivated Bashed Patch and complains about children mods (can't remember how it is worded exactly). Elaborate Eyes is not mergable. If I try to rebuild without Elaborate Eyes checked I end up without the effects of the mod in game. This is the Elaborate Eyes from nexus and not the combined one from other sites. Could there be an error in the way it is being Bashed Patched now? I am using v279.

» Thu Sep 30, 2010 9:02 am

Okay, what I'm wondering then is how it reacts to mismatched files? I'm worried about accidentally overwriting my cleaned esp files before I can test them.

Also, I forgot to ask: Was there supposed to be an implementation where you could click the BOSS button without turning off Lock Times first? I thought I'd heard that, but when I tried it earlier WB reset everything when BOSS was shut down.

» Wed Sep 29, 2010 10:27 pm

Found a bug. Or, rather, a mislabeling.

In a variety of places throughout bosh.py, the record definitions erroneously have colors in the order red, blue, green. It should be red, green, blue.

Example:

NPC_        MelStruct('HCLR','3Bs','hairRed','hairBlue','hairGreen',('unused3',null1)),

should be:

NPC_        MelStruct('HCLR','3Bs','hairRed','hairGreen','hairBlue',('unused3',null1)),

I doubt this has caused any ill effects because these values are typically treated as a group.

Other places:

REGN        MelStruct('RCLR','3Bs','mapRed','mapBlue','mapGreen',('unused1',null1)),WTHR        MelStruct('DATA','15B',            'windSpeed','lowerCloudSpeed','upperCloudSpeed','transDelta',            'sunGlare','sunDamage','rainFadeIn','rainFadeOut','boltFadeIn',            'boltFadeOut','boltFrequency','weatherType','boltRed','boltBlue','boltGreen'),

It is also seen in:

PCFaces:        __slots__ = ('masters','eid','pcName','race','gender','eye','hair',            'hairLength','hairRed','hairBlue','hairGreen','unused3','fggs_p','fgga_p','fgts_p','level','attributes',            'skills','health','unused2','baseSpell','fatigue','iclass','factions','modifiers','spells')

But, since this is used with saved games (which I haven't looked at), I haven't actually confirmed if this is wrong. It seems unlikely to be right though.

Lastly:

NpcFacePatcher                    faceData[npc.fid] = (npc.fggs_p,npc.fgga_p,npc.fgts_p,npc.eye,npc.hair,npc.hairLength,npc.hairRed,npc.hairBlue,npc.hairGreen,npc.unused3)

This is also in the wrong order, but it doesn't matter in this instance. When the npc_ record is fixed, this will be corrected as a side-effect.

» Thu Sep 30, 2010 5:48 am

Okay, what I'm wondering then is how it reacts to mismatched files? I'm worried about accidentally overwriting my cleaned esp files before I can test them.

Also, I forgot to ask: Was there supposed to be an implementation where you could click the BOSS button without turning off Lock Times first? I thought I'd heard that, but when I tried it earlier WB reset everything when BOSS was shut down.

Well locked times is supposed to keep records of timestamps so it does exactly what it's supposed to do if it resets...
If you just want to record your load order there is List->Save list...

As for the mismatched files I think it overwrites them, simple enough to check, backup your cleaned esp(s) just in case and click anneal, if it doesn't say it's mismatched after the anneal then it overwrites them...

» Thu Sep 30, 2010 9:44 am

I realize that's what lock times is for, but since the main reason for pushing the BOSS button at the bottom of WB is to reorder your mods, I thought the plan was to have WB set up so that pushing that button would temporarily disable Lock Times, and then re-enable it after BOSS did it's reordering.

However, I also recall mention of making that a choice in the WB ini or configuration, but now I can't recall if there is one yet. Can't find it just at the moment. Too late at night. edit: found the ini, but no sign of an option for auto-disabling Lock Times when BOSS button is clicked.

I guess I'll have to back up the cleaned ESPs in the morning and then test out annealing. I need to back them up anyway. Good thing I have TES4View's backup files to remind me which ones I edited.

» Wed Sep 29, 2010 9:14 pm

Looks like PM already fixed the TES4LOD link, but not OBMM. One of us will fix it for the next version.

A lot of the original icons were dragged over, so they just have their original names. Changing them to a better name would mean a bit of extra debris in the directory from older versions (because I doubt users would remember/look to delete the old ones) - not much of a problem, but then again generic names isn't much of a problem either.

Java icons - it's just Gecko and the Book Creator. I think we can leave the Cog for Gecko, and get a new one for the Book Creator.

I would prefer the actual names(or short for)
Just simply put a little reminder out to delete the image folder before dropping the new one in. If they already have custom icons, just move them out of the folder before deleting it and toss them back in with the new.

Anyway I decided the cog was the best representation for gecko also. Made one up from the shortcut.

@ PacM - will get the rest to complete the full set to you later this week probably with paths and such for some other programs.
But here are a few

CORRECT THIS PATH================;--sPaintNet is the path that Bash will look for Paint.Net.sPaintNET=C:\Program Files\Paint.NET\PaintDotNet.exehttp://www.paint.net/Other Executable Programs to add to the bash.ini=================;--sCustom# is the path for custom tool launcher # and sCustom#txt is the tool tip text to show for that launcher.sCustom1=C:\Program Files\BSACommander\bsacmd.exesCustom1txt=BSA Commanderhttp://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=3311==========================sCustom2=C:\Program Files\Bethesda Softworks\Oblivion\Modding Tools\Interactive Map of Cyrodiil and Shivering Isles 3.52\Mapa v 3.52.exesCustom2txt=Interactive Map of Cyrodiilhttp://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=3961==========================sCustom3=C:\WINDOWS\system32\calc.exesCustom3txt=Calculator==========================sCustom4=C:\Program Files\Bethesda Softworks\Oblivion\Modding Tools\Oblivion Mod List Generator\Oblivion Mod List Generator.exesCustom4txt=Oblivion Mod List Generatorhttp://www.invision.tesalliance.org/forums/index.php?/files/file/280-oblivion-mod-list-generator/==========================sCustom5=C:\Program Files\Oblivion Face Exchange Lite\OblivionFaceExchangeLite.exesCustom5txt=Oblivion Face Exchanger Litehttp://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=7808==========================sCustom6=C:\Program Files\ArtOfIllusion\Art of Illusion.exesCustom6txt=Art of Illusionhttp://www.artofillusion.org/==========================sCustom7=C:\Program Files\wings3d_1.2\Wings3D.exesCustom7txt=Wings3Dhttp://www.wings3d.com/==========================sCustom8=C:\Program Files\Steam\steam.exesCustom8txt=Steamhttp://store.steampowered.com/==========================sCustom9=C:\Program Files\Skype\Phone\Skype.exesCustom9txt=Skypehttp://www.skype.com/==========================sCustom10=C:\Program Files\Autodesk Architectural Desktop 3\acad.exesCustom10txt=Architectural Desktop OR AutoCadhttp://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/pc/index?siteID=123112&id=13799652==========================sCustom11=C:\Program Files\ABC Amber Audio Converter\abcaudio.exesCustom11txt=ABC Amber Audio Converterhttp://www.processtext.com/abcmp3wav.html==========================sCustom12=C:\Program Files\Spiral Graphics\Genetica Viewer 3\Genetica Viewer 3.exesCustom12txt=Genetica Viewer 3http://www.spiralgraphics.biz/viewer/===========================sCustom13=C:\Program Files\Pixel\Pixel.exesCustom13txt=Pixel Studio Prohttp://pixelstudiopro.com/http://www.kanzelsberger.com/pixel/===========================sCustom14=C:\Program Files\GIMPshop\bin\gimp-2.2.exesCustom14txt=GIMP Shophttp://www.gimpshop.com/============================sCustom15=C:\Program Files\project dogwaffle\dogwaffle.exesCustom15txt=Dogwafflehttp://www.thebest3d.com/dogwaffle/free/============================sCustom16=C:\Program Files\Logitech\GamePanel Software\G-series Software\LGDCore.exesCustom16txt=Logitech G11 Keyboard Profilerhttp://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/434/285&cl=za,en============================sCustom17=C:\Program Files\Pixarra\TwistedBrush Open Studio\tbrush_open_studio.exesCustom17txt=TwistedBrushhttp://www.pixarra.com/============================Add Download Links to where the quick launch programs can be got in the Help/Wrye Bash Documentation(html thing) so that everybody knows where to get them. Actual Sites please, if available.

Anywho, here's a sneak peak of the 32's

bliviongate:
http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab180/metallicow/AllIconsStrip.png

I particularly like the BashMon one I did.LOL
What do ya think?

Metallicow

» Wed Sep 29, 2010 8:57 pm

Okay, potentially silly, and most likely answered numerous times, but the Wrye Wiki didn't really answer this and the search function on the forums gives me far too many results that aren't what I'm looking for.

Long story short, trying to use the Ahtata Orc replacer, made sure it's meshes and textures were installed nearly last since they are more specific. When I ran the bashed patch, the mod wouldn't apply even though it was dead last on the list of options in NPC Faces and Race Records. I know it says that if the same item is changed, the last loading mod wins, but that hasn't been the case. Do I flag it with NoMerge so that all it's components go into the patch above all else, or something else?

Got it working by cheaply putting it after the bashed patch, but I'd really rather not do that and actually learn more of Wrye Bash. Any help appreciated, mockery not so much, but I guess it's deserved too.

[edit] Oh, and since I'm asking. The Loading Screen Themed Replacer for OOO isn't required if I'm using Wrye anyway, right? That mod is for people that don't use it I assume?