[RELZ] Wrye Bash -- Thread 66 : IV

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 10:20 am

Continuing from the http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?showtopic=1185023...

Wrye Bash is a mod management tool for Oblivion. It has a lot of features. I mean a LOT. It's like twenty tools rolled into one. It includes as subfeatures the entire feature sets of other tools, and offers plenty of other features that no other mod tool has.

Download: http://tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=22368

Documentation:

http://oblivionworks.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/oblivionworks/Programs/Wrye%20Bash/Mopy/Wrye%20Bash.html (also included in the download as "Wrye Bash.html" in the Mopy folder)
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Tes4Mod:Wrye_Bash
alt3rn1ty's http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=35230
Waruddar's Bashed Patch option reference (see bottom of this post)

Screenshots: http://wryemusings.com/images/WryeBash_01.png, http://wryemusings.com/images/WryeBash_02.png, http://wryemusings.com/images/WryeBash_03.png, http://wryemusings.com/images/WryeBash_05.png

Requirements:

It's easiest to just download the WryePython03a package from http://tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=22368 | http://www.fliggerty.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=4233
If you want to do things manually:
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- Python 2.5:
  http://www.python.org/ftp/python/2.5.4/python-2.5.4.msi
  
  http://downloads.sourceforge.net/wxpython/wxPython2.8-win32-ansi-2.8.11.0-py25.exe
  
  http://sourceforge.net/projects/comtypes/files/comtypes/0.6.2/comtypes-0.6.2.win32.exe/download *included in Wrye Python 03a
  
  http://sourceforge.net/projects/psyco/files/psyco/1.6/psyco-1.6.win32-py25.exe/download (optional)
  
  http://sourceforge.net/projects/pywin32/files/pywin32/Build216/pywin32-216.win32-py2.5.exe/download
- Python 2.6: *included in Wrye Python 03a (With the exception of wxPython 2.8.12.0 ansi - 03a includes 2.8.11.0)
  http://www.python.org/ftp/python/2.6.6/python-2.6.6.msi
  
  http://sourceforge.net/projects/wxpython/files/wxPython/2.8.12.0/wxPython2.8-win32-ansi-2.8.12.0-py26.exe
  
  http://sourceforge.net/projects/comtypes/files/comtypes/0.6.2/comtypes-0.6.2.win32.exe/download
  
  http://www.voidspace.org.uk/downloads/psyco-1.6.win32-py2.6.zip (optional)
  
  http://sourceforge.net/projects/pywin32/files/pywin32/Build216/pywin32-216.win32-py2.6.exe/download
- Python 2.7:
  http://www.python.org/ftp/python/2.7.1/python-2.7.1.msi
  
  http://sourceforge.net/projects/wxpython/files/wxPython/2.8.12.0/wxPython2.8-win32-ansi-2.8.12.0-py27.exe
  
  http://sourceforge.net/projects/comtypes/files/comtypes/0.6.2/comtypes-0.6.2.win32.exe/download *included in Wrye Python 03a
  
  http://sourceforge.net/projects/pywin32/files/pywin32/Build216/pywin32-216.win32-py2.7.exe/download
- Python 3.x: NOT Supported
- Other setups _may_work, but these are probably the most widely used and tested.
If you're trying out the new Beta Standalone versions, you don't need any of the Python components, however you may need the http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/en/confirmation.aspx?familyid=ba9257ca-337f-4b40-8c14-157cfdffee4e&displaylang=en, although this could change in the future (it is beta afterall).

Development: The project is hosted at https://sourceforge.net/projects/oblivionworks/develop. Want a feature? Request it https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=284958&atid=1207904! Want to get involved? Patches are welcome https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=284958&atid=1207903! Feeling brave? SVN versions are often half working, have serious problems, or Just Don't Work™! If you know what you're doing and still want to help us test new features and track down bugs, download the SVN http://oblivionworks.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/oblivionworks/Programs/Wrye%20Bash/?view=tar!

Installation:

If you are instaling for the first time, make sure you have installed WryePython03a package from http://tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=22368
Then just download and run the installer for the most recent release. You can upgrade this way too.
For manual installations/upgrades, download the archive version and extract in your Oblivion game folder (so that the Mopy directory appears in the Oblivion directory)
For WBSA (Wrye Bash StandAlone) versions, no Python components are required, but remember it is a beta and there are currently issues (see the section under Reporting Bugs.)

Reporting Bugs:

Try to give us enough information to diagnose your problem. The following is usefull information for us:
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- What are all the symptoms? Be sure to include what you did (step-by-step is helpfull), what you expected, and what happened.
- If Oblivion isn't installed in the default location, where is it installed?
- What version of the python components are installed?
  
  Python
  
  wxPython
  
  ComTypes
  
  psyco
  
  PyWin32
- What version of Windows are you using? Is UAC enabled?
- Is CBash enabled? If so, what version is displayed?
- What version of Wrye Bash are you using? If you're using the SVN, be sure to include the revision number.
- Are you using a bash.ini? If so, include its contents (in spoiler tags, please!)
If you're using the WBSA, things are a bit trickier. There are currently a few known issues:
- Wrye Bash wont work correctly if you launch it from the command line (DOS). Always launch by double clicking the exe or a shortcut to it.
- Due to issue #1, no debug mode is available. Some errors that happen will still be printed either to a "Wrye Bash.exe.txt" file, or to the "stdout/stderr" window that shows up with errors sometimes.
- There may be plenty more...just think of them as "undocumented features"
If you think you've found an error in the WBSA, be sure to uninstall ALL python components and test it again first, to be sure we get an accurate report. Having python installed can sometimes trick the WBSA into thinking that it has all of the files it requires, even if it really doesn't.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 1:55 am

Honestly, I've had no problems with the standalone beta.

But, what exactly can I do with the installers tab? there are a bunch of buttons and thats nice. But... Im lost. :cryvaultboy:

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 3:28 pm

I just tested the nifty http://www.4shared.com/file/nUHNkq95/TEST_Wizard_SIMPLE_Archive_Str.html that Metallicow posted in the previous thread. Although it crashes after testing any image types, the overhaul format appears sounds. If this were developed further, it could be a indispensable party of Wrye :goodjob: And to reiterate the flurry of discussion at the end of the last thread, simple packages will show red when uninstalled, because Wrye thinks all the files are missing. What's important is the color of the package after installation.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 10:53 am

Honestly, I've had no problems with the standalone beta.

But, what exactly can I do with the installers tab? there are a bunch of buttons and thats nice. But... Im lost. :cryvaultboy:

What buttons? If they are in the statusbar(and look like blender, paint.net, etc), they represent the applications you have installed on your machine.
If so guess I did a good job at extracting the info from the installers.
Most in the bash ini I think are right save a few...maybe fraps, 3ds max maya.
BTW is Softimage Mod Tool still showing when installed but, ;commented out in the ini? don't know working on a diff build.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 6:24 am

I just tested the nifty http://www.4shared.com/file/nUHNkq95/TEST_Wizard_SIMPLE_Archive_Str.html that Metallicow posted in the previous thread. Although it crashes after testing any image types, the overhaul format appears sounds. If this were developed further, it could be a indispensable party of Wrye :goodjob: And to reiterate the flurry of discussion at the end of the last thread, simple packages will show red when uninstalled, because Wrye thinks all the files are missing. What's important is the color of the package after installation.

LET ME REPEAT

POST THAT INFO& BUGS & STUFF & WHATEVER IN Lojacks BAIN wizards thread. THAT IS WHERE IT NEEDS TO GO.

Thankyou.

It is here.

http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1174346-wrye-bash-wizards/

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 11:54 am

This is a little late, and you probably already figured this out, but, yeah, if a BAIN package has everything in a '00 Core' folder, it would be red (files not installed) instead of white (nothing selected for install) because it is treated as a basic structure -- that is, the "00 Core" portion of the path is essentially ignored. It doesn't become "complex" (where you can select subpackages) until there is more than one subpackage to select.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 12:18 pm

@alt3rn1ty

For anyone having problems with drag n drop - Just trying 1061 (I missed 1058, no problems with 1057 prior to that with drag and drop, and no problems with the current svn - so dont know if that was something introduced in 1058 and cured again since)

In the mods tab, drag and drop esps is no probem, and the same in the installers tab, drag and drop installers up / down the list is no problem here ... If it helps anyone, heres my current settings with the svn

Installers tab menu

Mods tab menu

I was going to mention not having either "sort by active" or "projects first" selected .. but niche99 has already said tried without those I think. Unless you are selecting one and de-selecting the other, then back again - Neither of those should be selected if you want drag and drop to work.

Highlighted (or not) if I left click (and keep the left mouse button held down) then drag either a mod esp in the mods tab, or an installer in the installers tab, it always works here.

View Postniche99, on 16 May 2011 - 07:43 AM, said:
Drag 'n' Drop, no icon shows for me. Left Click and drag just does nothing at all. Almost as if there is no event linked to a left click?

Icon? (edit: Had a think, still cant imagine why an icon should be expected to appear)

Some random ideas that may be causing the problem - I use the tarball from svn to update to latest svn. My Mopy fodler is not located in my Oblivion folder, but on another drive completely.

My settings are the same as you show in the screen shots. By the icon, I mean that when you left click and hold on an entry in the mods tab, a small dotted box appears to show that you have grabbed the entry. I understood this to mean an icon showing on left click.

After downloading the latest tarball, just moments ago, drag 'n' drop is still not working for me.

BSA Redirection is now confirmed working, thanks PacificMorrowind.

Regards,
niche99

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 12:49 am

Some random ideas that may be causing the problem - I use the tarball from svn to update to latest svn. My Mopy fodler is not located in my Oblivion folder, but on another drive completely.

My settings are the same as you show in the screen shots. By the icon, I mean that when you left click and hold on an entry in the mods tab, a small dotted box appears to show that you have grabbed the entry. I understood this to mean an icon showing on left click.

After downloading the latest tarball, just moments ago, drag 'n' drop is still not working for me.

ugh... I haven't used installer dnd in months... but it ain't working here - ah well that is really actually good news! Since if it errors for me unless I'm really a dummy today or its insanely complicated stuff I can fix it no problem

... try SVN 1064 working for me now

(alt3rn1ty, Lojack if you have time could you check that it's still working for you, Brozly that should fix it for you too)

BSA Redirection is now confirmed working, thanks PacificMorrowind.

Regards,
niche99

great, thanks

Pacific Morrowind

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 12:21 pm

Quoting myself from the last thread:

Has separating height/weight data from body textures ever been considered, tag-wise? I recently had an issue where Slof's Better Bodies.esp needed to be tagged Body-F/Body-M but in doing so it overwrites the height/weight data from bgBalancingEVCore.esp. I fixed this easily enough by adding the records to Slof's Better Bodies.esp but separate tags would be preferable. Alternatively, any suggestions as to how I should have resolved this?

Another issue involving Slof's Better Bodies.esp: this mod uses Scanti's mouth and teeth resources to add eyelashes and claws. I added the tags R.Mouth/R.Teeth to get it to work correctly but there is no mention in BOSS. Did I do this correctly, and if so, should this should be reported to the BOSS team?

If someone has the time to answer these questions I would be grateful.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 6:47 am

Drag&Drop working fine with SVN 1064. :goodjob:

Thank's Much

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 2:22 am

@Wetblanket
I'm pretty sure you're supposed to use the Graphics tag to import body textures, rather than the body tags.

As for the missing R.Mouth and R.Teeth tags, I think you did do it correctly and it would be a good idea to report it in the BOSS thread.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 8:58 am

alt3rn1ty, Lojack if you have time could you check that it's still working for you, Brozly that should fix it for you too

Yep still no problem here

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 11:31 am

Still works here too. Leftover from adding the hideable columns looks like?

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 3:14 am

One last query for Wrye people. While building my patch, I was reading up on general info at TESPositive. The http://tesivpositive.animolious.com/index.php?page=bashed_patch does not list 'Import Spells' as safe, but says that 'Spell Stats' are ok. Are there specific exceptions to Import Spells like with avoiding Import Factions for OOO, or should the option be left alone entirely?

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 2:19 am

One last query for Wrye people. While building my patch, I was reading up on general info at TESPositive. The http://tesivpositive.animolious.com/index.php?page=bashed_patch does not list 'Import Spells' as safe, but says that 'Spell Stats' are ok. Are there specific exceptions to Import Spells like with avoiding Import Factions for OOO, or should the option be left alone entirely?

Take a look at the Patch option reference (by Waruddar) in the OP (click the Spoiler) - by far the best explanation of what is safe and when you should import stuff.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 2:02 am

...I'm pretty sure you're supposed to use the Graphics tag to import body textures, rather than the body tags...

Maybe. BOSS suggests Body-M/F and according to the WB docs:

? Body-M: If specifying male body textures, height, or weight.
? Body-F: If specifying female body textures, height, or weight.

...As for the missing R.Mouth and R.Teeth tags, I think you did do it correctly and it would be a good idea to report it in the BOSS thread.

Okay, I'll do that.

Cheers.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 3:56 am

Hi,

Confirmed: Drag&Drop working fine with SVN 1064.

Thanks Pacific Morrowind.

Regards,
niche99

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 1:14 am

That eye mesh bug is still a problem. Latest SVN installed. Sorry to harp

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 12:11 pm

Hi,

After updating to SVN 1064. I ran a bashed Patch rebuild with no patch settings changed and got this error during the build. I am using CBash.dll. Should I deactivate CBash.dll and wait for a CBash.dll update?
Is this correct thread to report CBash.dll errors?

Traceback (most recent call last):  File "D:\Games\Bethesda\Oblivion\Tools\Wrye Bash\Mopy\basher.py", line 5852, in Execute    patchFile.buildPatch(SubProgress(progress,0.1,0.9)) #try to speed this up!  File "D:\Games\Bethesda\Oblivion\Tools\Wrye Bash\Mopy\bosh.py", line 18029, in buildPatch    patcher(modFile, record, bashTags)  File "D:\Games\Bethesda\Oblivion\Tools\Wrye Bash\Mopy\bosh.py", line 19511, in apply    self.scan(modFile,record,bashTags)  File "D:\Games\Bethesda\Oblivion\Tools\Wrye Bash\Mopy\bosh.py", line 19501, in scan    if record.GName in self.patchfile.scanSet: ##Does nothing until I can fix the error in CBash.dllAttributeError: CBash_CellImporter instance has no attribute 'patchfile'

Regards,
niche99

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 1:19 pm

Yep, it's fine to report CBash stuff here. Also, thanks, it should be fixed now.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 6:14 am

Maybe. BOSS suggests Body-M/F and according to the WB docs:

? Body-M: If specifying male body textures, height, or weight.
? Body-F: If specifying female body textures, height, or weight.

Okay, you're quite right. the Body tags are indeed the tags required to import texture data. Hopefully Lojack or PacificMorrowind can provide an explanation.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 12:48 am

For those who doesn't have an account on TES Nexus can now download http://www.fliggerty.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=4233 on http://www.fliggerty.com/phpBB3/index.php.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 3:16 pm

Has separating height/weight data from body textures ever been considered, tag-wise? I recently had an issue where Slof's Better Bodies.esp needed to be tagged Body-F/Body-M but in doing so it overwrites the height/weight data from bgBalancingEVCore.esp. I fixed this easily enough by adding the records to Slof's Better Bodies.esp but separate tags would be preferable. Alternatively, any suggestions as to how I should have resolved this?

hmm did you import both and load it x0 SBB, x1 bgBalancing? (not familiar with Slof's BB so don't know the exact details there). ... uh well why not seperate them out... more easy customization is always better IMO and pretty much no work whatsoever;

Another issue involving Slof's Better Bodies.esp: this mod uses Scanti's mouth and teeth resources to add eyelashes and claws. I added the tags R.Mouth/R.Teeth to get it to work correctly but there is no mention in BOSS. Did I do this correctly, and if so, should this should be reported to the BOSS team?

yep that's correct... you could report it on the BOSS thread but no need really... after all I am Bash and BOSS dev... tagged in the masterlist, thanks

speaking of editing the masterlist I think for now I'll do a search and replace and just put in both tags (new tag is Body-Size-M/F)... though of course unedited subrecords won't push through this gives more choice of which mod wins by adjusting tagging (which can now be exported if the user desires so that it doesn't get lost even on a full reformat and don't keep the bash data files if you just keep the little text file that is exported) instead of hand editing the esps

Lastly, an apology. Recently I complained about tag documentation. It would seem it was quite some time since I had last read the Bash docs :blush: since the latest version is very good.

hmm missed that complaint, but glad to hear that non-devs can understand the documentation... often the hardest thing.
Pacific

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 9:30 am

With bgBalancing - most of us just take the 20 minutes to import the changes from Roberts better bodies, Slofs Better Beasts (what I think Wetblanket meant) and other mods like eyelashes, etc into RBP main esp.

So easy to do with edit and then just package the resources for those mods in a way that RBP can access (BAIN) them. That way you don't even have to load those miniscule esp in the data folder.

But yeah I've not heard of Slofs better bodies (sand the beast).

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 1:46 am

hmm did you import both and load it x0 SBB, x1 bgBalancing?...

I don't completely understand this but a tentative yes:

bgBalancingEVCore.esp, active/not merged, tagged: Hair, R.Attributes-F, R.Attributes-M, R.ChangeSpells, R.Description, R.Relations, R.Skills (Eyes intentionally omitted)

Slof's Better Bodies.esp, merged, tagged:Body-F, Body-M, Eyes, Graphics, R.Mouth, R.Teeth

Slof's Better Bodies.esp loading after bgBalancingEVCore.esp (BOSS)

@psymon: Slof's Better Bodies RMF is quite new and an improvement on Better Beasts. It includes eyelashes and textures for all the races as well as improving on the stuff added by Better Beasts. Admittedly, I prefer the old Roberts normals and that's what I'm using with it. I would link to it but advlt content and all that. As for the '20 minutes', well I prefer my 1 minute import