Yagrum *SPOILERS INSIDE*

Post » Sun Sep 05, 2010 4:07 am

With Vvardenfell being basically obliterated, is Yagrum, the last living Dwemer, dead?
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Sasha Brown
 
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Post » Sat Sep 04, 2010 8:46 pm

yes
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jessica robson
 
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Post » Sat Sep 04, 2010 7:24 pm

:sad:
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Sammie LM
 
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Post » Sun Sep 05, 2010 5:52 am

maybe divayth saved him.
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Steve Bates
 
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Post » Sat Sep 04, 2010 4:12 pm

maybe divayth fyr is dead
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Connor Wing
 
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Post » Sat Sep 04, 2010 5:29 pm

Anybody who wanted to had ample time to prepare and/or relocate before the moon fell. They knew there was potential for it to fall and that the forces holding it back were failing - if anybody is smart enough to take precautions against such things it would be Fyr (and if Fyr saved himself he would no doubt have saved his prized dwarf).

Sure, almost all ordinary folk are dead, but there's a decent argument to be made for anybody with a decent head on their shoulders having survived or gotten the 'eff 'outa dodge before it was too late...
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Alan Whiston
 
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Post » Sat Sep 04, 2010 2:29 pm

Well, if he died, so now the Dwemer are de facto extinct. But this is bad.

If he is still alive I do not know, but hopefully still alive. If he is dead or alive, only Bethesda can respond.
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Greg Swan
 
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Post » Sun Sep 05, 2010 5:31 am

I seriously doubt that fyr is dead and if he lived i'm sure he saved his wives and yagrum also. He's a tough old wizard and i doubt he would die so easily.
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Alisha Clarke
 
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Post » Sun Sep 05, 2010 2:41 am

What I mean is, unless Gary Noonan reprises his role, Fyr's dead along his http://www.imperial-library.info/obscure_text/sotha_sil.shtml. It's a good time to retire characters.
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Post » Sun Sep 05, 2010 4:21 am

Anybody who wanted to had ample time to prepare and/or relocate before the moon fell. They knew there was potential for it to fall and that the forces holding it back were failing - if anybody is smart enough to take precautions against such things it would be Fyr (and if Fyr saved himself he would no doubt have saved his prized dwarf).

Sure, almost all ordinary folk are dead, but there's a decent argument to be made for anybody with a decent head on their shoulders having survived or gotten the 'eff 'outa dodge before it was too late...


I hope you're right, but I have the feeling that few really expected the moon to fall, and that the cataclysm was sudden. I think Yagrum and the other corprus victims are probably dead, buried in their cavern. Fyr may have teleported out in time, unless he rushed to check on his "daughters" and the rest. If he were living alone he would have had more of a chance, but if he was delayed by trying to help others in his household, I don't know. This is all speculation on my part, though. I hope there will be a TES V and that we hear what happened to various characters from "Morrowind" and "Oblivion".
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Post » Sat Sep 04, 2010 3:18 pm

I hope you're right, but I have the feeling that few really expected the moon to fall, and that the cataclysm was sudden.

I simply see no way in which the cataclysm could have been sudden. The very fact that they built the Ingenium is a testament to the fact that they knew it was falling, afterall it was built to stop it from doing so. I can see the people trusting Vivec's power to keep the moon from falling (while he was around), I imagine they'd be a little more skeptical about this machine. They might not have expected it to fall right when it did but they had to have suspected it as a possibility...
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Post » Sun Sep 05, 2010 2:36 am

I agree with Luagar. It would make sense that Fyr would have prepared in the case that the moon would fall. Also, Subadim, wasn't Divayth Fyr voiced by Jeff Baker? (Like all the other male Dunmer in-game?) Unless you mean it in another way.
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Post » Sun Sep 05, 2010 2:19 am

I agree with Luagar. It would make sense that Fyr would have prepared in the case that the moon would fall. Also, Subadim, wasn't Divayth Fyr voiced by Jeff Baker? (Like all the other male Dunmer in-game?) Unless you mean it in another way.

Gary Noonan used to post and roleplay as Divayth Fyr here on the forums... but that was like, five or six years ago.
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Post » Sat Sep 04, 2010 8:00 pm

Anybody who wanted to had ample time to prepare and/or relocate before the moon fell. They knew there was potential for it to fall and that the forces holding it back were failing - if anybody is smart enough to take precautions against such things it would be Fyr (and if Fyr saved himself he would no doubt have saved his prized dwarf).

Sure, almost all ordinary folk are dead, but there's a decent argument to be made for anybody with a decent head on their shoulders having survived or gotten the 'eff 'outa dodge before it was too late...
Yup. They died because they were too dumb to live.
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Post » Sat Sep 04, 2010 9:53 pm

Yup. They died because they were too dumb to live.

Ha, I had originally intended to say "with the means and a decent head on their shoulders" but it got cut out when I was rearranging the wording. :)
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Post » Sat Sep 04, 2010 9:01 pm

I hope you're right, but I have the feeling that few really expected the moon to fall, and that the cataclysm was sudden.

Not a chance. Whilst the Moon Baar Dau had kept its impetus and probably impacted High Fane within a split-second, I still don't think (even when ignoring the condensed Morrowind we experience in the game and thinking of a larger scale for everything) the shockwave reached to Tel Fyr. Perhaps some portions of Azura's Coast, but I think Divayth's tower was a bit too far north. That leaves the eruption of Red Mountain, of course, but I think that would have taken slightly longer to obliterate everything. You make a good point that in the time it took Divayth to rally his daughters and Yagrum (possibly others as well like Vistha-Kai), it may have been too late. But certainly, Fyr has demonstrated strong metaphysical understanding through his transmissions with Sotha Sil and the Elder Council in the Obscure Texts. I'm sure he had a plan, regardless.

Divayth may be old and easily lost in his work, but his mind seems to be just as nimble and resourceful as he was in his youth. The next question, of course, is if Mistress Therana managed to get away, and if so, by what convoluted means. :evil:

What I mean is, unless Gary Noonan reprises his role, Fyr's dead along his http://www.imperial-library.info/obscure_text/sotha_sil.shtml. It's a good time to retire characters.

Yagrum Bagarn always sounded like the Keebler Elf with a sinus infection to me. :shrug:

I suppose you're talking about his appearance though, assuming Noonan did not only the Dwemer ruins but the Dwarf himself. Surely they could just have him and Divayth cameo by means of a written letter or something if particularly insecure about doing his appearance justice in a future game?
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Lizbeth Ruiz
 
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Post » Sun Sep 05, 2010 7:27 am

I've seen the moon, I still highly doubt at that altitude it could have done any real damage outside of the city of Vivec.
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Chenae Butler
 
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Post » Sun Sep 05, 2010 1:42 am

Yagrum Bagarn always sounded like the Keebler Elf with a sinus infection to me. :shrug:

Somebody compared his voice to Droopy the Dog a while back, I think its spot on.
I've seen the moon, I still highly doubt at that altitude it could have done any real damage outside of the city of Vivec.

It was frozen in motion there, it didn't originate there. It still has its original velocity from when it was originally hurled at the city...
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Post » Sat Sep 04, 2010 5:41 pm

I suppose you're talking about his appearance though, assuming Noonan did not only the Dwemer ruins but the Dwarf himself.

No, I was talking about this:

... A temper seems to rattle him every now and then and I have instructed my sister-wives to leave him be. In time, he will come to and understand what fate holds for him.

And interesting thing.... Yagrum confronted me after my arrival from the council, and wished to know if I still had the Tools in my possession. Upon hearing that the Hortator had taken leave and carried the items off with him, Yagrum seemed quite upset. What is going in that mind of my old friend's. I shall keep a close eye on him, for I worry about his well being.


Surely they could just have him and Divayth cameo by means of a written letter or something if particularly insecure about doing his appearance justice in a future game?

Though, neither belong in a Tamriel without a Vvardenfell. It isn't seeing them again that would bother me, it's just that retiring them is the proper thing to do.
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Post » Sun Sep 05, 2010 5:49 am

That moon was pretty big too so I'm sure its impact was felt all across vvardenfel, more likely even further.
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Post » Sun Sep 05, 2010 2:09 am

Though, neither belong in a Tamriel without a Vvardenfell. It isn't seeing them again that would bother me, it's just that retiring them is the proper thing to do.

Vvardenfell isn't the defining aspect of Fyr, note that when he did join us here he went by the title Divayth Fyr the Psijic - he belongs just as much to Artaeum as he does Vvardenfell...
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Post » Sun Sep 05, 2010 5:07 am

It was frozen in motion there, it didn't originate there. It still has its original velocity from when it was originally hurled at the city...


I'm sorry but that makes no sense, if the moon was stopped, it would no longer have the velocity it built up entering the atmosphere.
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Post » Sat Sep 04, 2010 7:19 pm

I'm sorry but that makes no sense, if the moon was stopped, it would no longer have the velocity it built up entering the atmosphere.


The moon was never stopped or slowed down physically. Through magic, it hovered there waiting for the time when it would continue on it's original path.
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Post » Sat Sep 04, 2010 7:14 pm

I'm sorry but that makes no sense, if the moon was stopped, it would no longer have the velocity it built up entering the atmosphere.

Magic. Take your real life physics and throw them out the window. Vivec froze the moon out of time time, and could have removed it if he wanted to, but didn't. It has been well known that the moon was only suspended in time, not with an equal force stopping its velocity.
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Post » Sun Sep 05, 2010 2:17 am

it wasn't stopped per say but it was said it was out of time by god stroke or something like that. so it retains its velocity.
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