"K.I.S.S"

"Keep it simple, stupid"

That was one of the first things we were taught in Science classes. And before every Science class starts up, we always get this talk.

Inded, regarless of whether or not you agree with his creationist theories, you cannot deny this is an amazing case of a particularly gifted child.

The child of a friend of my father was like him. He was like 14 and astounded a math professor and all of that. I heard that although he was amazing at math, he was mediocre in all of his other subjects.

Okay? If there is an aberration then I have confidence that scientists and those who have the knowledge will rectify our understanding based on new facts.

Or if it's just some kid who might have bitten off more than he can chew, that's fine too. Math genius or not, he's still just a 12 year old.

Wow we have alot of geniouses here. It is so easy to say he is not correct or he is wrong. Well PROVE IT. Don't just say useless words, prove that he is wrong. I am shocked here is a 12 year old in collage and alot of people here is saying he is wrong. What grade were you in when you were 12? I think he may know what he is talking about even though he may not be able to say it out loud properly.

When you guys can say Pie, to the 100th digit, forwards and backwards off the top of your head, they you may have some credibility, until then, most of you who are disbelievers is just talking nonsense. Again, so easy to say something but where is your proof?

I am not saying he is correct, because I can't confirm or deny what he is saying, but I find it remarkable what he can accomplish. Also at being 12, it looks like he may learn so much more. If he is capable of more learning growth, imagine what he will know when he is 16. 18, 25, 50.

I just can't believe you guys talking down to a 12 year old with a disability. The BFS forum members at thier greatest, kicking a disabled child down on the interent. Shame shame shame.

Who cares if he is wrong, it is just amazing that he can even do those calculations. Can you do that? Also can you prove he is wrong and how the creation of the universe was even done? At least he is trying to do something, what are you doing besides saying he is wrong?

Well it's not that I'm insulting his intelligence, I'd just rather somebody "disproving the Big Bang theory" to not be using words like poof and blow up to explain the existence of the entire world.

Although, you could argue the man that coined the term "Big Bang theory" was keeping it overly simple too...

he needs to learn about more then math to understand the big bang theory



i haven't seen him prove that he is right, he just made claims about carbon without having any kind of measurements, so all he has is his own theory

He is 12 years old with a disability. What kind of words do you think a 12 year old kid should be using?


He is a 12 year old kid with a disability that is out of highschool and is in collage teaching other collage students how to do math. How much more math do you think he needs to learn? Rememeber he can tell Pie past the 100th digit, forwards and backwards of the top of his head. I only know it is. 3.14.

You haven't seen him proven him right, but please tell me where it has been proven about the Big Bang? That hasn't been proven yet either.

Glass houses, Davor.

He's a bit too sure of himself at the age of 12, in my opinion, is all.


*chuckle* There's other things with less credibility, I'll leave it at that.

There is nothing wrong with simplicity. Does something have to be complex to be respected as a valid arguement?
I think the kid made some good points. Give him 30 more years, and who know's what he'll have discovered

Ritalin, probably.

While i'm not saying the kid isn't smart. But knowing a large sequence of numbers isn't that hard to do. For example I know the square root of 9000 to 28 places, i'm not exactly genuis material.

I definitely like those who challenge the Big Bang Theory. The only way science stays useful is if it's constantly being challenged, amended, evolving. What I don't like is defending it the way some do, because it's not religious scripture, yet some do actually turn science into a religion which does science and society an enormous disservice.

I'm not sure why Autism and Aspergers were brought up. I can see it being a big issue if someone isn't surrounded by others.. obviously being a social hermit ends up with some form of social anxiety and diminishing social skills, but I'm pretty sure if he functions in life productively and socially, the "normal" part of the article is what I stick with. He's a brilliant and normal kid.

Actually, Big bang theory was coined as a form of ridicule of the theory.

@Davor, They don't need to be scientists or mathematicians to be skeptical of the kid's claims. Nothing the kid says about the Big bang theory should be taken as truth without independent verification of his math and baseline assumptions. (gotta use the right value for x)

Listen the issue here is that it's a misleading and provocative article statement. The Big Bang theory is two different things now. It's first a scientific theory explaining the expansion of the universe, and second a near-religious misnomer assumed by everybody but the most active professionals to be a catch-all explanation for the meaning of life and the creation of the universe.

People like me, who only know enough to see it as the second thing, feel a great deal of abrasive friction to an out of the blue statement of a child disproving everything.

It's nothing personal against the kid, but any praise he could receive for being a 12-year old college student and math genius is absolutely overshadowed by the statement.

I get a little touchy here because I have a daughter who is disabled. I just hate seeing people put down a disabled kid. It's not like he is claiming that he is correct and telling everyone that they have to believe what he believes. He was being interviewed. He was saying what his beliefes were. Now we have people claiming he is wrong.

So sorry if I get a little touchy but he did nothing wrong for alot of people to be harping on him for his belief.

That's why in astronomy we have words like "gas giant", "dwarf planet" and "super massive black hole". Unfortunately most other scientific fields don't follow this philosophy.

Those people's issues would be taking Big Bang in a religious context which should not be confused with science. "Belief" is something else entirely. The article never showed anything tangible other than him saying what he thought, so entirely subjective.

On the other hand, who was putting down a disabled kid? If one read the article it says he's normal. People can have Autism and Aspergers and be normal. People can have ADHD/ADD and be normal. They don't need extra protection just because of a disability.

It's not just a belief. It's an assertion he's making about a scientific theory, and people should doubt his claims. Now, if his claims can stand up to independent scrutiny, that's another thing, but when it comes to science you don't hug and say "It's fine if you believe that!" Trying to prove people wrong is a vital part of peer review.

He better get used to it. Being a teenager with a disability does not excuse him from having to deal with skeptics which is something every scientist has to deal with. There is absolutely nothing wrong with scrutinizing scientific claims.

Who's fault is this? Is it the kids, or the people who did the intervies and hosted it on the interent? I don't think the kid at all made the title. It was an intervies on an autistic child about his life who said many things which was left out. One part that was left in was about what he things of the Big Bang. It is selective editing and the kid shouldn't be bashed about it.

The way some people on in this thread seem to make it out this is his claim while all he did was talk talk talk about his life, and it was EDITED that what he said. Funny how the title is 12 year old disproves the Big Bang, but it's not almost untill the end you read about it. This was an article about a 12 year old autistic child. If the "12 year old disproves the Big Bang" was not mentioned, then almost all of us would not be reading it.

If anyone is to be blamed it is the writer of the article, not the child.

The article's title has nothing to do with the big bang. The article title is: "Genius at work: 12-year old studying at IUPUI".

edited for nicer phrasing.

That article - IMO - is making him seem like some super genius. While I can't vouch that I was doing calculus at age 12, I think they are making him out to be... bigger than he is.

Anyway, I don't think he really disproves it; however I can't argue too much in terms of math and sciencology (not to this extent anyway), my only argument comes from logic and goes like so: Big Bang was a super-heated concentration of mass, made from subatomic particles and protons and electrons and etc. Where do these particles come from?

That said, gonna back on outta here before I get a headache from all these large words and numbers.

if you read the article, it says that he likes playing guitar hero, and halo reach, it also states that he likes disney channel, and the scyfi channel.. just sayin.. he is a genious, and he knows how to have fun.