Yet Another Crash Help Tread : IV

» Sat Oct 23, 2010 3:19 am

I'm a long time player of Oblivion, but recently I've grown fed up with semi random crashes (mostly on fast travel, and transitions from interior to exterior world spaces, but some are truly random). I know I only have myself to blame, as I do play with a lot of mods (though not as many as some I've seen). The question is, can anyone offer some suggestions on what to remove/add/replace to improve stability? I'd appreciate the help from those who may know better than I.

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System Specs:XP SP3 x86Intel Core 2 Quad @ 2.40 Ghz3.25 GB RAMNvidia GeForce 8800 GT

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Other Info:Most Mods installed using Wrye Bash's installer featureBOSS w/ most recent Master list (as of 7/4/10)OBSE V18WRYE BASH v285TES4EDIT Cleaned all mods (as best I can)OBSE Plugins: Oblivion Stutter Remover, Pluggy, OBGE, Nifscript, enhanced music control, elys_USV, WeOCPS

» Sat Oct 23, 2010 5:18 am

Well, your load order is in good shape. You've cleaned what mods you can. You use OSR and Streamline...

Sadly, I believe that the only option left to you if you want more stability is to begin paring down your load order. FCOM, Better Cities - those two right there are a big hit. I'm impressed you can play pretty well as is. I have some suggestions. Take them for what you will...

TIE-IN: Corepc is working on a version of TIE4Mods that is intended to be compatible with FCOM. All other versions, including the one you've got, are not really compatible. I suggest dropping all the TIE-IN plugins.
19 UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp [Version 1.0.0] is now obsolete with a new Wrye Bash bashed patch option, under Tweaks, I believe.
Better Cities: I suggest try switching out and trying Open Cities instead. Different, for sure, but a reall enhancement and a lot less system stress.
Giskard's mods: OMG and the Necromancer and the rest are tough to integrate with most other mods. All Natural and Elder Council clash. I suggest doing what I've done - leave all the Giskard mods out of your current load order. Build a second load order (you can do this by creating a second bashed patch with a different set of masters) that is all Giskard. He's got his own vision after all. Might work out great to just play his stuff by itself.
Use some of the MMM optional plugins to reduce system strain: Choose "stronger spawns" for a lower number of creature spawns but the ones that do spawn are tougher. Cuts cpu load without cutting gameplay challenge. Also use a few "less" or "reduced" options or even some "no ___" options.
Drop Alive Waters (all but the Koi addon) and use the newest MMM Diverse Waterlife plugin instead.
Screen Effects is pretty system intensive, isn't it?

If you can't seem to bear the thought... Well, you could always try making the changes above and playtest. See how much of a difference it makes.

good luck,

gothemasticator

» Sat Oct 23, 2010 12:41 am

I had used screen effects before and this mod caused my game to crash
So maybe this does the same thing to you

» Sat Oct 23, 2010 7:36 am

The original version of OBGE causes interior / exterior crashes as I recall. You can try upgrading to the new one, OBGEv2.

» Sat Oct 23, 2010 2:35 am

What's already said. Two other things:

1. Turn off autosave on travel/wait/sleep if you haven't already. It's known that it can cause CTD's, esp. when using mods.
2. Consider updating to the latest MMM and UFCOM. It's a bit of a hassle as you need to uninstall your previous MMM version first, but it's worth it. Details in http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1102058-relz-fcom-convergence-and-ufcom/.

» Sat Oct 23, 2010 3:51 am

1. Turn off autosave on travel/wait/sleep if you haven't already. It's known that it can cause CTD's, esp. when using mods.

All this time and I haven't realised that? :facepalm: