3 arrows per 10 seconds is possible, but it makes crapy shots.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yorHswhzrU

Next!!

That's because his arrows were in his hand, otherwise, he would have been slower, and notice his proccimity.

well hes not dragonborn, a dragonborn could pull it off even with arrows in his quiver and a target further away

I don't really know what you are trying to prove here. Lajos Kassai is one of the worlds most proficient mounted archers and the man who brought back the "Persian shot" and general horseback archery. He is literally a once in a few generation kind of guy for our time. Put him in a TES setting, then there are probably more like him but a skill like that is rare and at a mastery level of archery. I'm not sure why you think posting YouTube videos of master archers makes you a winner, but if it works for you then I guess its alright.

I realize you are trying to give proof to your argument but Kassai is just too good to represent the majority of an archery population, even in a fantasy game.




Well yeah a bow is longer ranged but I find the zoom would be more for precision then really extending a players range. In OB most people could a hit a far away deer with mow zoom if they knew the general angle. I dont know what you mean about the zoom being expensive OP because its not like we are buying a scope for it. The zoom in OB was more a way of making it seem like the character had become more accurate with the weapon, and the best way to make it seem like accuracy improved with skill is to give it a zoom feature.

Rather like the once-in-several-generations heroic character we play in the game? :blink:



Never claimed he represented the majority, you threw out that straw man. The point is this: Our character is "of heroic proportions," and shooting in that style at that rate with that accuracy is possible, therefore there's no reason to think a larger-than-life hero (in a fantasy setting where people summon fire from their hands, no less) wouldn't be capable of such shooting.

Touche :laugh:




I don't remember throwing straws. And people should stop using this "its a fantasy setting lol" excuse. It gets old. I'm no fan of absolute realism but still. I agree that the Dovakhiin can be that powerful and should be. But what of those people who don't want to be the Dragon Born?

1: you have to be motionless to reload a crossbow
2: they are way slower
3: they could not fire as far as bows,and were not as accurate at distance.
The crossbows power was only really effective at close quarters.
Give me a bow anyday of the week.

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Get ready for another hated "forum platitude" then: "They don't like it, they don't have to use it." They can not develop their Archery skill, which should (Can't say will as I don't know precisely how skills are going to work...once upon a time character skills affected accuracy but that's no longer guaranteed) make them "sloppy enough" shots that they're not that powerful. :shrug:

Ah yes, that old argument. I agree however. I suppose people can just be mid-level archery skill and then stop leveling it.... If thats even possible. I truly don't know anymore, what was this topic on again?

how bout since crossbows originated long time after bows, there arent legendary crossbows? that way crossbows will ultimately be a poorer choice of ranged weapons, but theyd still require less skill

Don't feel too bad, I hate that one myself- but mainly because it's so often used as an "escape hatch" for anything people are getting desperate in their attempts to defend. "It's teh opshunal, u dnt have 2 usez itzz!!1!!!"

But, there are places where it actually does work.

No legendary crossbows?
In real life, or in TES?

This thread makes me realize how crossbows are not very practical compared to bows, and that Bethesda is right for focusing on the bow and arrow. Still, I would like weapons that can be thrown, but nay to crossbows.

Nothing was practical in Morrowind about crossbows...you could run/strafe in any directon while bending over mid sprint to pull the string back and reload the bolt.

But if they use the same recharge time then Morrowind (1.5 sec) than anyone could be pleased!

i have wanted a crossbow assassin since there absence in oblivion, it would be nice to have a bit of variety.

As a lone adventurer, no they probably aren't the most practical of weapons. But they were developed as a mass produced weapon that you can give to any peasant farmer, have him shoot it twice to make him effective with it then rinse and repeat with a thousand other farmers in a short time. As a single adventurer, yes I'd rather have a bow then a crossbow, seeing as how you'd get one shot in before the monster eats your face :laugh:

Crossbow were invented to help eliminate the need for training. Put the thing in a strong man's hands and give him ammo, and he's deadly in a heartbeat

Either way a bow is faster.So your crossbow shoots like that,can my bow shoot like a machine gun.
What would be a bows strength if we had crossbows that could reload in 1.5 seconds.
Crossbows require next to no skill to use,it's mostley why they were invented.
Using a bow is just plain better,and it requires proper skill.
Like i said earlier,crossbows were only really any good at close quarters,their accuracy at range was not that good.
If crossbow where to be added,fine.
But not at the rate of fire you say,thats ridiculous.
They would have to be way slower and weaker over distance than a bow....hence...crossbows should not have zoom ability.
It would be fun to have a crossbow,but i would always go back to a bow....plain and simple. :thumbsup:

Its not like I'm against crossbows...we have staff's which are the magic equivilant...so I'm all for em...

But more and more I get this feeling of wishing that they'd change marksman into a skill that isn't just for a bow...it's your hand eye quardination. That way...you could tie all the weapons that use range into one nice synergy-friendly group...and then go make perk tree's for them...thus making it so that every single range weapon increase your hand eye quardnation...and you could specialize deeper then with perks.

So, about 10 perks for a skill that have only one weapon? I find the perk list kinda hard to fill.