Yet another CTD thread : IV

» Fri May 27, 2011 6:12 pm

So, as the topic might suggest, I'm currently having CTD issues. More precisely, Oblivion is crashing whenever I fast travel. I can walk anywhere just fine, but whenever I fast travel to anywhere (other than IC, if I'm already in the city), I crash. I've tried resting for 4 days in an interor cell (because I've heard that sometimes help with this kind of problem), but to no avail. I have the following OBSE plugins active:

and my load order is:

Active Mod Files:00  Oblivion.esm01  You Are Here.esm02  Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm03  Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm04  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.72]05  Mart's Monster Mod.esm  [Version 3.7b3p3]06  Open Cities Resources.esm  [Version 01]07  CM Partners.esm08  Toaster Says Share v3.esm09  CustomSpellIcons.esm0A  PMSneakySummons.esm0B  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.2.4]0C  UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp  [Version 1.0.0]0D  Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp0E  DLCShiveringIsles.esp0F  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.4.0]10  Fra.esp11  FranOBSEConfig.esp  [Version 0.5]12  LoadingScreens.esp13  Lem - Modified Weather.esp14  Natural_Weather_HDR_2.1.2_coloroverride.esp15  no_wind-2578.esp16  Enhanced Water v2.0 ND.esp17  ln.esp18  Symphony of Violence.esp19  MIS Low Wind.esp**  Book Jackets Oblivion.esp1A  VanityCameraSmoother.esp1B  ClocksOfCyrodiil_BC_OBC_OC_OCLR_Vanilla.esp**  CM_Better Wine.esp1C  ImprovedSigns.esp1D  Not a Bedroll.esp1E  VA_BetterGold.esp1F  Vows and Covenants.esp20  Map Marker Overhaul.esp  [Version 3.3.1]21  Map Marker Overhaul - SI additions.esp  [Version 3.0.2]22  Ayelid Wells.esp23  HouseMapMarkersOnlyBought.esp24  DLCHorseArmor.esp25  DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]26  DLCOrrery.esp27  DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.3]28  DLCVileLair.esp29  DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]2A  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp2B  DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]2C  DLCSpellTomes.esp2D  DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.1]**  Book Jackets DLC.esp2E  MaleBodyReplacerV4.esp2F  CSR - Fine Iron.esp30  Gloves.esp31  mnp Nighteye Goggles.esp**  RTFemaleReplacerV12.esp32  Slof's Horses Base.esp33  Dude Wheres My Horse.esp**  Ranokoas Organized Potions.esp34  DLCThievesDen.esp35  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]36  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp  [Version 1.0.4]37  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp38  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp39  Francesco's Optional House Chest Loot.esp3A  Francesco's Optional Vendor Tweaks.esp3B  Francesco's Optional Leveled Quests.esp3C  UOP-Optional Quests Patch.esp3D  Francesco's Optional Leveled Arena.esp3E  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 1.72]3F  Cobl Si.esp  [Version 1.63]++  Cobl Tweaks.esp  [Version 1.44]++  COBL-FransCre.esp40  mg19obsefix.esp41  Mart's Monster Mod for Fran.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]42  Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]43  Mart's Monster Mod - Additional Enemy NPC Vars.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]44  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Imperial Armor.esp  [Version 3.7b3p]45  Mart's Monster Mod - Gems & Gem Dust.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]46  Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]47  Mart's Monster Mod - Zombies for Body Meshes.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]48  Mart's Monster Mod - Fran's leveled quests.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]49  Mart's Monster Mod - Less Rats.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]4A  Mart's Monster Mod - Safer Roads.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]4B  Mart's Monster Mod - No Swarms.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]4C  Mart's Monster Mod - No Reavers.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]4D  Mart's Monster Mod - No Carrion Rats.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]4E  Mart's Monster Mod - No Blood.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]4F  Mart's Monster Mod - No Bone Loot.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]50  Mart's Monster Mod - No Undead Rise.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]51  Mart's Monster Mod - No Lanterns.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]52  Mart's Monster Mod - Spawn Rates - Reduced.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]53  Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]54  Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life No Gates.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]55  Mart's Monster Mod - City Defences.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]56  Mart's Monster Mod - Extra Wounding.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]57  Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]58  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]59  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot G&GD.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]5A  MMM-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.69]5B  Ivy Cottage.esp5C  Adaman Fortress.esp5D  AlchemistsCave-COBL.esp5E  Better Dark Brotherhood Sanctuary.esp5F  Daedric Quests Unleveled.esp60  SRJtrollKajsa.esp61  Forgotten Tomb.esp62  Gianna.esp63  EiAmod.esp  [Version 1.1]64  EiAmod_ShiveringIsles.esp65  Lem - Celestial Lagoon.esp66  Lem - The Nether.esp67  Lem - The Rift.esp68  Lem - The Scar of Sithis.esp69  Lem - Sunken Fortress.esp6A  LetThePeopleDrink.esp  [Version 2.5]6B  LostSwordOfTheAylied.esp6C  LostSwordOfTheAylied - OBSE Add-On.esp6D  MadMagesTower.esp6E  Oblivion Achievements Core with Rewards.esp6F  Servant of the Dawn.esp70  SRJmarasProtection.esp71  Star's Rest.esp72  Star's Rest - Ayleid Well.esp73  swamp home cobl.esp74  The Ayleid Steps.esp  [Version 3.0]75  Ushnar's Re-Skinned Hound.esp76  DLCBattlehornCastle.esp77  DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]78  Artificerens Battlehorn Coblized.esp79  DLCFrostcrag.esp7A  DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]7B  Knights.esp7C  Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.9]7D  Mart's Monster Mod - Knights.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]7E  OCC-KOTN-Patch.esp  [Version 01]7F  TOTF.esp80  OCC-TOTF-Patch.esp  [Version 4.2]81  TOTF-EiAE Patch.esp82  TOTF Delayer.esp83  RTT.esp84  OCC-RTTv3 Patch.esp  [Version 1.1]85  The Lost Spires.esp86  OCC-Lost Spires-Patch.esp  [Version 2.0]87  The Lost Spires_delayer.esp  [Version 1.1]88  Shadowcrest_Vineyard_COBL.esp89  NibenRiverFix.esp8A  Millstone_Farm_COBL.esp8B  Moriarcis.esp8C  Open Cities New Sheoth.esp  [Version 01]8D  Open Cities Outer Districts.esp  [Version 01]8E  Open Cities Full.esp  [Version 01]8F  Better Abandoned House OC Full.esp90  Better Abandoned House.esp91  Harvest [Flora].esp  [Version 3.0.0]92  Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.0.0]93  Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp  [Version 3.0.0]94  Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp  [Version 3.0.0]95  Bag of Holding.esp  [Version 01]96  Birthsigns Expanded.esp  [Version 01]97  Cliff_BetterLetters.esp  [Version 01]98  Cultural Secrets.esp99  DropLitTorchOBSE.esp  [Version 2.1]9A  Dungeon Actors Have Torches 1.6 DT.esp9B  First Person Messages.esp9C  ImprovedSoulgems.esp  [Version 01]9D  KT_KhajEyeToggleNoEff.esp**  Shadow's Merged Value FixesNOBLOODPOTv2.0.esp9E  NoWindSI.esp9F  Side's Backpacks.espA0  Side's Backpacks (COBL).espA1  Toggleable Quantity Prompt.esp  [Version 01]A2  Wrye Shivering.esp  [Version 08]A3  Wrye Shivering Death.esp  [Version 05]A4  Quest Award Leveller.espA5  Quest Award Leveller - Battlehorn Castle.espA6  Quest Award Leveller - Vile Lair.espA7  Quest Award Leveller - Mehrunes Razor.espA8  Quest Award Leveller - Knights of the Nine.espA9  GalerionUnarmoredAcrobatics.espAA  Disenchant.espAB  Is It Safe.espAC  SetEssentialActors.espAD  TeachSpell.espAE  Telekinetic Mastery.esp  [Version 2]AF  OC+TelekeneticMastery Patch.espB0  RefScope.esp  [Version 1.3.0]B1  MidasSpells.espB2  OC+Midas Magic Patch.espB3  AudaciousMagery.espB4  Josef Grey's Natural Starlight.espB5  SigilStoneSelector.espB6  Enchantment Enhanced.espB7  EnchantmentRestore.espB8  Lem - Bounty Reduction Over Gametime.espB9  No psychic guards v1.2.espBA  Enchanting Skill.espBB  Automatic Spell Learning.espBC  Oblivion XP.espBD  Toaster Says Share Faction Recruitment.espBE  CM Partners.espBF  CM Partners Special NPCs.espC0  CM Partners NPC.espC1  CM Partners More NPCs.espC2  CM Partners Marker NPCs.espC3  CM Partners Extra NPCs.espC4  CompanionshipRing.espC5  Cobl Races.esp  [Version 1.52]**  Cobl Races TNR.esp  [Version 1.53]**  Cobl Races TNR SI.esp  [Version 1.53]C6  bgMagicEV.esp  [Version 1.7EV]C7  bgMagicSpellTomes_for_WryeBash.esp  [Version 1.68EV]C8  bgMagicItemSigil.esp  [Version 1.68EV]C9  bgMagicEVStartspells.esp  [Version 1.68EV]CA  bgMagicBonus.esp  [Version 1.7EV]CB  bgMagicEVAddEnVar.esp  [Version 1.68EV]CC  bgMagicEVPaperChase.esp  [Version 1.68EV]CD  SupremeMagicka.esp  [Version 0.90]CE  SM_ShiveringIsles.esp  [Version 0.86]CF  SM_DLCSpellTome.esp  [Version 0.80]D0  SM_MMM.esp  [Version 0.89]D1  SM_COBL.esp  [Version 0.86]D2  SM_EnchantStaff.esp  [Version 0.80]D3  SM_Scrolls.esp  [Version 0.84]D4  SM_SigilStone.esp  [Version 0.83]D5  bgMagicEV_Conjuration_for_Supreme_Magicka.esp  [Version 1.5]++  PMSneakySummonCompatibility.espD6  TRAP.espD7  No More Annoying Comments.espD8  MM_NoMoreAnnoyingMessages-Lite.espD9  Automatic Timescale.esp  [Version 1.0]DA  SPAWN.esp  [Version 0.2]DB  bgMagicEVShader.esp  [Version 1.7EV]DC  bgMagicLightningbolt.espDD  Detect Life Shader [New].espDE  Get Wet.espDF  QTdof.esp**  Real Lava 1.3.espE0  qazFingerSnap.espE1  Faction Rank Fix.espE2  Bashed Patch, 0.espE3  Streamline 3.1.esp

EDIT: Curiouser and curiouser: if I walk to a location, I no longer have a ctd if I fast travel there.

» Sat May 28, 2011 7:51 am

Just weird...... But hey, its oblivion, weird is its middle name.

Are you using the HUD function enabled flavor of Pluggy?

» Fri May 27, 2011 6:39 pm

Just weird...... But hey, its oblivion, weird is its middle name.

Are you using the HUD function enabled flavor of Pluggy?

Nope.

» Fri May 27, 2011 11:54 pm

Separate issue, but load bgMagicEVAddEnVar.esp after your Supreme Magicka files to get LAME's special effects. Otherwise, bgMagicEVAddEnVar.esp does nothing.

Which version of TOTF are you running? The latest, up on TES Nexus, doesn't include (or apparently need) an Et in Arkay Ego patch.

This bothers me:

Better Abandoned House OC Full.esp
Better Abandoned House.esp

It appears redundant, especially with the "Full" version coming first.

What is Fra.esp?

» Fri May 27, 2011 5:56 pm

Separate issue, but load bgMagicEVAddEnVar.esp after your Supreme Magicka files to get LAME's special effects. Otherwise, bgMagicEVAddEnVar.esp does nothing.

The description of that plugin says that it "Adds some new spells to enemies." Shouldn't I just be able to merge it into the bash patch?

Which version of TOTF are you running? The latest, up on TES Nexus, doesn't include (or apparently need) an Et in Arkay Ego patch.

I'm using the latest version. I just checked with OBMM, and TOTF does conflict with Et in Arkay Ego. The patch isn't included with either file, its a seperate download on the nexus.

This bothers me:

Better Abandoned House OC Full.esp
Better Abandoned House.esp
It appears redundant, especially with the "Full" version coming first.

I installed it via OMOD, so I assume that I need both. Not sure how they got reversed, though. Must be an error in the BOSS masterlist?

What is Fra.esp?

From the BOSS masterlist:

Fra.esp
. Note: BSA redirection hack. Usually refers to FraNewItems.BSA
. Note: Using a file to load a BSA means the BSA must NOT be listed in Oblivion.ini at the same time or the game will not load.
. Note: This is ususally only a problem when automatic installers insert the name into Oblivion.ini then the user creates a BSA redirection file later.

It looks like LetThePeopleDrink.esp was causing the crashes, as they stopped when I deactivated it.
EDIT: Does anyone see anything else wrong with my load order? Any compatibility patches I'm missing or anything like that?