YIKES : IV

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 6:01 am

I installed UL today, as well as the respective compatibility patches for the mods I have installed. I also removed a few minor mods, Akatosh mounts (the speed of the dragons was causing CTD because my system couldn't load fast enough), the Progressive Levelling mods, and a few minor tweak mods. None of them have any effect on cells, they just changed game play. I also uninstalled the DLC Orrery and installed Arcane University 300. I rebuilt my bashed patch, and started a new game. Left the ship and automatically arrived in the tavern, normal for the alternate start mod. Left the taven, fine. Entered the Mages Guild and the walls, ceiling and floor were gone. So I COC to the fighter's guild, since the door is gone. Nothing there as well. It is the same story for every interior cell that I COC to.

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Unique Landscapes is not causing this problem, I am sure of it. And Better Cities only affects the actual cities themselves and not the interior building cells, so it isn't that.

Anyone see something in my load that could be causing this?

edit: To top that off I am getting this weird CTD. You guys know that beep noise that a computer makes when you hit a button or click on something inaccessibly? Like for example while transferring files and you try to access the folder you are transferring from. I get a few of those beeps randomly and then it crashes.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 12:22 pm

Hm. Have you run the latest version of BOSS, from within Wrye Bash, and read its output (bosslog.html I think it's called nowadays)...?

If you have, I mean no offence. It's generally worth asking anyway, I've found.

» Tue Mar 29, 2011 9:42 pm

Do any of your ESP files show up in Bash marked with a blue filename?

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 1:07 am

Do any of your ESP files show up in Bash marked with a blue filename?

My thoughts exactly, this sounds like a textbook Master-on-Master edit problem.

Check to make sure none of your ESPs are showing up blue in Bash (meaning the game is treating them as an ESM), and if you do find one, ESPify it back.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 3:19 am

Hm. Have you run the latest version of BOSS, from within Wrye Bash, and read its output (bosslog.html I think it's called nowadays)...?

If you have, I mean no offence. It's generally worth asking anyway, I've found.

I found a few things I hadn't noticed before, but they were related to an esp for Armamentium I had accidentally activated.

Do any of your ESP files show up in Bash marked with a blue filename?

Only the ESMs, but they've always been blue. Otherwise the rest is either green, purple or black.

EDIT:

My thoughts exactly, this sounds like a textbook Master-on-Master edit problem.

Check to make sure none of your ESPs are showing up blue in Bash (meaning the game is treating them as an ESM), and if you do find one, ESPify it back.

Only the ESM unfortunately. Figures it wouldn't be that easy for me. lol

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 10:03 am

Are you using Vacuity's ALEX?
I remember one of her updates did this to me. She released fixed version bit later.
This was 2 years ago.

What mod did you add recently?
Try to play with your latest added mo0d(s) disabled.
One by one.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 2:01 am

Are you using Vacuity's ALEX?
I remember one of her updates did this to me. She released fixed version bit later.
This was 2 years ago.

What mod did you add recently?
Try to play with your latest added mo0d(s) disabled.
One by one.

I added Heart of the Dead into my bashed patch finally, but it was working before that. I also installed Arcane University, and now that you mention new mods, the Insanity Petshop to replace the Cheydinhal Petshop, which I read a lot of glitches for.

Before those, I had installed Silgrad Tower and Tel Valus. I encountered a CTD but that was while flying one of the dragons from Akatosh Mounts, and I didn't notice the interior cells. At the time though UL was not installed yet.

EDIT: I reached the mod limit. Any chance that might have something to do with it? Just getting it out there.

EDIT2: Arcane University 300 was the culprit, although I can't figure out why. The mod only changes the AU but it affected all the other cells? I tried adding it back into my load out to see if the problem would repeat after reinstalling it. Now the game crashes before the save is done loading. Deactivate it and the game is pretty stable.