Yokuda, so is it there or not? : The Elder Scrolls Series Discussion

» Tue May 08, 2012 12:55 am

Just confused about the continent of Yokuda. I understand that in history, it sank into the sea by reasons still debatable. But UESP states that according to citizens in Anvil (assuming in Oblivion) state that boats still sail to Yokuda.

So is there a reason Yokuda is still being "explored" or what? Or is it just a oversight and it really is underwater?

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Yokuda is the UESP page. Sorry if I left out any more info.

Thanks!

» Tue May 08, 2012 3:13 am

Never, ever, use UESP as a good source. Yokuda did and does continue to exist, but as small scattered islands. There is even a map featuring Yokuda in the game Redguard.

http://www.imperial-library.info/

» Mon May 07, 2012 3:08 pm

Never, ever, use UESP as a good source. Yokuda did and does continue to exist, but as small scattered islands. There is even a map featuring Yokuda in the game Redguard.

http://www.imperial-library.info/

Thanks! Ya, the map in the link I provided is what threw me off.

» Tue May 08, 2012 12:03 am

The sank to the sea part isn't debated. The sword-singers blew it up by cutting the uncuttable, and triggered, basically, a big ass nuclear explosion, on purpose. The only question is why did they blow it up.

» Mon May 07, 2012 1:59 pm

The sank to the sea part isn't debated. The sword-singers blew it up by cutting the uncuttable, and triggered, basically, a big ass nuclear explosion, on purpose. The only question is why did they blow it up.

That...I didn't know.

Thanks!

» Tue May 08, 2012 3:21 am

The sank to the sea part isn't debated. The sword-singers blew it up by cutting the uncuttable, and triggered, basically, a big ass nuclear explosion, on purpose. The only question is why did they blow it up.

Unless I understood wrongly, was it not an arms race?
They all made better swords to threaten the enemy until they had swords that could cleave the atomos

» Mon May 07, 2012 5:47 pm

From what I've read, something "irredeemable" was committed, so the most powerful of the sword-singers got together and blew the country up because of that irredeemable...thing of which no one knows.

» Mon May 07, 2012 1:27 pm

Granted, I know little about Yokudan history. I think I'm subconsciously scared to go deep into lest I be greeted with untold vistas of confusing things to misinterpret and then clog the forums with questions... again, making all of you hate me... again.

but...

Didn't the Yokudans blow up Yokuda to kill the Left-Handed Elves? Or was that a long time before. I'm guessing it was a long time before.

» Mon May 07, 2012 8:36 pm

Didn't the Yokudans blow up Yokuda to kill the Left-Handed Elves? Or was that a long time before. I'm guessing it was a long time before.

Fascinating.
The left-handed Elves did not come from Yokuda with the Redguards did they?
They were left or destroyed by inference, probably the same thing apart from timing.

» Mon May 07, 2012 4:34 pm

From what I've read, something "irredeemable" was committed, so the most powerful of the sword-singers got together and blew the country up because of that irredeemable...thing of which no one knows.

The irredeemable action was the splitting of the atomos. In many fantasy settings the splitting of the unsplittable is a divine act and therefore blasphemous, or some variation thereof.

Didn't the Yokudans blow up Yokuda to kill the Left-Handed Elves? Or was that a long time before. I'm guessing it was a long time before.

Nope. I think either Sai or Leki taught people the Ephemeral Feint after which the Left-Handed Elves suspiciously went extinct. If this had anything to do with the Cataclysm it probably would have been mentioned in the same source.

» Mon May 07, 2012 5:34 pm

Fascinating.
The left-handed Elves did not come from Yokuda with the Redguards did they?
They were left or destroyed by inference, probably the same thing apart from timing.

I think it was they who built Orichalc Tower, which the Yokudans destroyed. I'm just not sure if all of that happened earlier than the destruction of Yokuda. I think that all happened in the Dawn or something. In the morning I'll consult a timeline to see when Orichalc Tower was destroyed and when Yokuda blew up.

» Mon May 07, 2012 10:13 pm

Most likely a simple misnomer - Referring to the nation, and not the remaining landmass.

As for what sunk Yokuda, there's dozens of salt-strands in the market one could acquire, each illustrating an unused colour of tragedy, victory, retribution, or what have you. Don't take them all to heart. They all have Tava's hue, in the end, which is what is important

» Mon May 07, 2012 1:17 pm

It's a funny thing about language and catastrophe. If we witness a house on fire, we're likely to say that a house was completely destroyed by the fire. If you don't witness it, but hear someone say that a house was completely destroyed by the fire, you're likely to picture a complete absence of any trace of the house, and be somewhat surprised to find major structural elements still upright, parts of the upper floor apparently intact. What the witnesses meant is that the house is no longer usable as a house, even if it's recognizable as a house.

» Tue May 08, 2012 3:08 am

So Yokuda blowing up, like the Battle of Red Mountain and the creation of Nirn and the death of Lorkhan is a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rashomon_effect.

» Mon May 07, 2012 6:05 pm

So Yokuda blowing up, like the Battle of Red Mountain and the creation of Nirn and the death of Lorkhan is a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rashomon_effect.

Never heard of that effect before. Very interesting, tbh. Thanks for the link!

» Mon May 07, 2012 12:55 pm

The most important thing to take from Rashomon is that none of the recollections are true, and perhaps there is no such thing as truth at all. This especially rings true with The Battle of Red Mountain.

» Mon May 07, 2012 2:49 pm

The most important thing to take from Rashomon is that none of the recollections are true, and perhaps there is no such thing as truth at all. This especially rings true with The Battle of Red Mountain.

Most definately. When I first played Morrowind, I was confused as what really happened there but then realized it is all about what you or others think, if something is tru or not.

Thansk for the posts guys, helped me a bit on what is Yokuda today

» Mon May 07, 2012 5:24 pm

The most important thing to take from Rashomon is that...

...is that Toshiro Mifune is a grade-A badass.
I haven't clicked the link yet and don't know what we're talking about.

Speaking of badasses, my favorite badass sailed to the ruins of Yokuda to loot it of a valuable gem in Lord Vivic's Sword-Meeting with Cyrus the Restless.
I still can't figure out how to make links work in this damned new forum http://www.imperial-library.info/content/lord-vivecs-sword-meeting-cyrus-restless

Testing, testing, http://www.imperial-library.info/content/tale-kieran testing one two three.
ah, great. Thanks Hellmouth.

» Mon May 07, 2012 12:07 pm

[*url][/url], just remove the *. For typing in stuff, [url*=link]bla bla bla[/url], again, remove the *

» Mon May 07, 2012 11:58 pm

I have never seen that map before. Pyandonea is waaay bigger and closer than I imagined it to be. Yokuda is really close. Assuming there's not much nuclear fallout left, I bet people live there.

» Tue May 08, 2012 3:13 am

Yokuda's still mapped out and yes there are still people living there. Just no real significant nation. Imagine a south pacific island before 1900 and that's how I imagine modern Yokuda to be.

Pyandonea is less certain because its shape comes http://i56.tinypic.com/2agraya.jpg, and yes that's the biggest I could find. So distances are probably a little mushy.

» Mon May 07, 2012 8:30 pm

...is that Toshiro Mifune is a grade-A badass.
I haven't clicked the link yet and don't know what we're talking about.

Speaking of badasses, my favorite badass sailed to the ruins of Yokuda to loot it of a valuable gem in Lord Vivic's Sword-Meeting with Cyrus the Restless.
I still can't figure out how to make links work in this damned new forum http://www.imperial-library.info/content/lord-vivecs-sword-meeting-cyrus-restless

Testing, testing, http://www.imperial-library.info/content/tale-kieran testing one two three.
ah, great. Thanks Hellmouth.

I've yet to see anymore of Mifune's movies besides Rashomon. He made Seven Samurai, did he not?

And Cyrus is a badass among badasses. As I've said before he is the patron saint of confused lore forum-goers. Look now upon the words of Cyrus of the Restless and feel comfort in his consternation:

"He talks a lot, too, and seems to like that. Is there a God of Talk to Death here, too?"

"Yes," Coyle said, "But Ansu-Gurleht is the—"
"Of course there is," Cyrus said, "I can work with that, then. Hopefully he’ll be holding his sword as he’s yakking away so my Redguard honor will remain intact when I run my saber into his mouth mid-sentence."

May Cyrus always help us cut through the confusing fat.

Sura lonhe tang raga-bateki sogat kuloto Dura-hi.

» Tue May 08, 2012 12:42 am

I've yet to see anymore of Mifune's movies besides Rashomon. He made Seven Samurai, did he not? And Cyrus is a badass among badasses. As I've said before he is the patron saint of confused lore forum-goers. Look now upon the words of Cyrus of the Restless and feel comfort in his consternation: May Cyrus always help us cut through the confusing fat. Sura lonhe tang raga-bateki sogat kuloto Dura-hi.

Mifune's the star of Rashomon, and Seven Samurai. Akira Kurosawa is the director of both.
Excellent movies.

» Mon May 07, 2012 2:06 pm

Mifune's the star of Rashomon, and Seven Samurai. Akira Kurosawa is the director of both.
Excellent movies.

So Mifune was Tajomaru? That guy kicked ass. Was such a total blowhard, but badass nonetheless. I gotta find Seven Samurai.