As was stated previously, all the Dragonborn came from the Nord line.

This new Dragonborn should also comes from the Nord line. If the player character were to be the Dragonborn, they could only be a Nord or Imperial.

Something to keep in mind; we're playing as the Dovahkiin, not someone with the Cyrodiilic/Nordic title 'Dragonborn'. It could be a simple coincidence that they translate to the same word. The Dovahkiin doesn't necessarily need to have anything to do with the Septims.

I think most sources in the lore say Tiber Septim was a Breton from Alcaire, but I seem to remember there was a book claiming he was a Nord.

Again, no.

Yes, you will be Dragonborn.

1.Do you really think Bethesda wants to get [censored]ed at again for having you play a supporting role like Oblivion?
2.The "he" means nothing. The Nerevarine was also refereed to as a "he", in Morrowind. I think in the opening scene, can't remember.
3.Even if the lore did state Dragonborn was a Nord, do you know how easy it would be for Bethesda to change that?

Well Azura was so pissed that the Almsivi killed Nerevar Indoril, I don't think he/she cared who became the Nerevarine. I mean she did make them look like that, plus shes a Daedra. On Alessia's deathbed however, Shezarr/Lorkhan came down and made a pact with her that Men alone would rule Cyrodiil. Some believe that it was even Akatosh. Both of which are Aedra, who probably take reincarnation a little bit more serious than a Daedra that always gets her way. Take heed to the lyrics of the song in the trailer:

For the? king, for the king

For the sake of Skyrim

For our land, for our home

For Hrothgar's Blood

For the Nords and for the Gods

For the sole single son

Dovahkiin, our king, who will dawn with fire!

Then again its all just a teaser trailer, who knows what new lore awaits?

So much for Martin being a monk :hubbahubba:

As for there are only two options, no...there are three and most likely you will be the Dovahkiin because it's one person and what is the only thing that transfers from each TES game? Your one person born from uncertain parents under an uncertain sign and you must save someone/something.

Not sure why people keep thinking that Lorkhan still plays a part in all this. Lorkhan is dead...he has been for a LONG time. In fact, you mutilated his heart in Morrowind also. The thing that sets Aedra and Daedra apart is that Daedra can't die, but Aedra can.

Pretty much, which is why I'm in the school that thinks ol' Ak came down and not Shezarr. Shezarr has never been depicted as a dragon, but Akatosh obviously is.

Yeah, sorry if it seemed like I was attacking you, I was actually meaning to bring up why other people think that and agree with your assessment of Akatosh being the one that came down hehe.

It does make me wonder if the Aedra work in cahoots with each other though, since Lorkhan and Akatosh are the only two constants within the different religions of Nirn, yet are totally separated. Then again its hard to differentiate fact from myth in a fantasy game's lore.

True. I believe that Lorkhan and Akatosh weren't in cahoots except while they were making the mortal races. Then after Lorkhan was killed Akatosh decided to finish what had already started to drain his and others powers. Akatosh is a definite constant because of being the God of Time but I don't get why the other races think Lorkhan is so evil...he created the mortal races and Nirn. I do understand why the Aldmer hate him, since they lost their divinity because of him. Ouch, tough break lmao.

I think you're all on the wrong track here. The title "dragonborn" isn't actually a title at all, it's simply a translation of the title "Dohvakiim", which is a title known to the dragons. There's no reason to conclude that the dragonborn emporers are in any way related to the Dohvakiim. Dragons aren't exactly plentiful in the world (up until now anyway, seems like more are on the way), just because the races of man refer to the Emporer as the dragonborn, does not mean that the dragons would use the same title, in fact, the dragons probably had prophesies of the Dohvakiim long before the emporers took up the title (not unheard of for a political figure to name themselves, or pattern symbols, after a figure of legend or prophesy in order to gain prestige).

It's late at night, I'm rambling I know, but I just don't see the connection between the emporer and the Dovakiim that a lot of you guys are talking about.

I must be the only one around who sees no problem with taking a supportive role as long as it's done in a credible way.

I kind of despise games catering in to the players narcism, allowing him to be the hero of the worls or a walking god of some sorts.
Especially when it's allowed without requiring any substantial effort, like Oblivion did.
Oblivion was still a good game, but no matter what I did, I never felt a real hero's satisfaction from it.

Dragonborn or not, Bethesda, allow us to be heros by worthy actions - not by some fluffy titles.

"With me, the last of the Septim line passes from time" - Martin Septim/Avatar of Akatosh.

The dude was basically half-god at the time, I believe him. Whether you play him or not, the Dragonborn is not a Septim.


We know of one other woman (a mistress) that Talos got pregnant other than the line that continued and could be accounted for... Barenziah, a Dunmer. (She supposedly got a midieval-abortion, but just saying...)

He is dead, but he's a dead aedra, and a dead Padomic Aedra at that. Gods can have different rules. He was one of the major players for the creation of Mundus, and, indeed, the one who came up with the idea, Mundus is partially composed of Lorkhan, so he can't be entirely destroyed. Likewise, our other Padomics, Daedric princes, are immortal...

The lore suggests that Lorkhan has a history of befriending the men of Skyrim. His "ghost" sending an avatar to restore to them much of their lifespans, which Akatosh had stolen, an avatar of his leading an expedition to Red Mountain to attempt to recover his heart before the unfortunate happened, etc.

It is possible that there was some truth to what Mankar Camoran about Mundus being his Daedric plane. As a clever trickster-god, he co-opted Magnus' designs, to take a much more concrete place in Mundus than was intended, tying himself to the realm, and absorbing the divinity of its other inhabitants, which is why we see worldbones, pissed off elves about losing their connections to godhood, aedra fading in power, etc. The Aedra who didn't leave were either unable, or set out to make the best of the situation, and attempt to remedy the plan by pre-empting what was essentially Lorkhan's Daedric plane to their own ends, changing its nature in subtle ways, and, using their combined influence to take an equal part of control of it to his. Ultimately though, it was still his plane, and he could not be expelled from it.

I found it disappointing - to do all that heroic stuff with little acknowledgement. I'd much rather be the hero(ine).


Must have loved Mass Effect, then

Maybe it's like in Dragon Age with the Grey Wardens: you don't have to have any specific origin to become one.

I wouldn't mind being someone other than the Dragonborn...but if so I'd rather not have to do everything for the Dragonborn aside from the one thing he/she does at the end and then receive little credit for all I did.

Part of that problem was just the lack of new responses for the PC after you've saved the country/continent from Dagon.

I doubt there will be a specific origin for the PC, only ES game I know of that did that was Redguard and that was an entirely different type of game.

I dont realy care if Im going to be allowed to play only as a nord, if Im an errand boy for the ,,chosen one'' again I swear the puppies are going to die. I think after Shivering isles Beth learned that WE are the heroes, WE go thought all this epic crap and WE want to be recognised for it, not to metion giving us some worthwile reward for our efforts.

if the storyline and writing are excellent im happy with either one. however, if its only so so then definitely a supporting role. i HATE games that make the player the center of the universe. there is a reason why mods that made monsters and wildlife react to one another and not just you are popular.

considering that the only races i play are orc, nord, imperial and occasionally redguard i have no issues with them maintaining lore and saying you have to be nord or imperial to be the dunking king. i honestly have difficulty not laughing at the idea of a walking house cat battling giant dragons. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Na8ThDftsKk

I have two ways of seeing this, niether with race restrictions.

1. The Dragonborn is an NPC, like martin who you help rise to revive the empire (assuming this takes place after infernal city)
2. You are the Dragonborn, which I'm starting to doubt the more I think about it.
Also, if you helped anyone of the septim bloodline, wouldnt it help for this to take place in cyrodiil aswell?
Maybe this is the full up whole Tamriel game we've been waiting for (99% unlikely)

Maybe some of you wouldn't be fazed by having your race restricted to Nord, but I would hate it. That would be a deal-breaker for me. Thankfully though, I really doubt that Bethesda would go that route.

Couldn't other races be born among the dragonborn and be considered as such? Or be born of a dragon born mother or father and some other race as the other parent? Does being a Nord have to refer to the race or could it refer to the area of birth? Would one drop of blood from a dragonborn mean you too are dragonborn?

Yeah, my thoughts exactly. Despite Nerevar bieng a dunmer.

I get the impression that the Dragonborn is not only a kind of rank or title bestowed on someone, but that it hasn't been bestowed on anyone in the past - rather it's a potential character written into legend & prophecy. If that's the case, it's more likely that he or she can be a person of any gender or race when compared to the Nerevarine, who was the incarnation of a general whose characteristics are the stuff of historical fact (Nerevar was certainly a male Chimer/Dunmer) rather than legend.

Edit: I realised I didn't state that very clearly; I know Tiber, et al have been called Dragonborn, but since the Septim line is ended it seems like anyone named "Dragonborn" must either represent a new line entirely, or be given the title in a totally different context.