Well it would be pretty poor to put dragons in a game and not have you fight them, and since the dovahkin is the only one who can stand against them, it means that you'll likely be the Dovahkin otherwise you'd forever be relegated to Dovahkin squire, "Hand me my Longsword!"

Oh and unless the lores went all mad, Martin turning Akatosh on Dagon sealed up Oblivion invasions good and tight, look up Infernal City. The dragonfires are relics now, we dont need another septim line

Beth arent suicidal, to cut away all choice of character bar a couple would be mental, you'll get the usual choices no doubt

But Nerevarine was a reincarnation, of course it could be anyone. The dragonborn on the other hand, is not, he is someone with septims bloodline.

Actually Empress Katariah was a full blown Dunmer and wife to Pelagius III. She ruled for 46 years and after she died her half blood son took over. Versidue-Shaie, a Tsaesci, held the throne for nearly 400 years before he was assassinated by the Morag Tong.

Yes, but aren't they all dead? Unless Martin is still alive or has offspring.
But I kinda suspect that he's a closet homosixual, so that rules out the offspring.

I don't want to deal with Martin again anyway. Not because I think he's gay, I just didn't like him.

Him is the neutral form, as well as the masculine form :wink_smile:

Well the GI back cover poem says that the... whoever is singing that poem... that those guys are "praying" for his "blessing". That doesn't sound like your usual hero. The Dunmer didn't ask the Nerevarine for a blessing. And you can't really pray to a god in order to get a blessing from another dude, that's not how praying works, so they're actually praying to the Dragonborn.

I don't know, if I'm praying for a blessing from someone, then that means I kind of regard him as a higher being. Not some guy who turns out to be the Dragonborn everyone was waiting for. If at all, that guy would be his avatar/champion - or else we'd have to be some supernatural being that can give blessings.

Maybe I'm reading too much into that one line, but I get the notion that the Dragonborn might be some mythical figure, maybe a Greybeard who was able to achieve CHIM or something.

the big hang up i have with immediately being the "superhero" out of jail is that it makes it alot more difficult to justify roleplaying an insane homicidal narcissist who robs beggars for fun. if im a self centered [censored] and more importantly im a [censored] that hates nords for some reason..........why would i want to even stop them. let some boring NPC be the hero sometimes i feel like being a bad guy. that being said nords are actually one of my fave races and will be my first choice but eventually i will play an orc that is stupid and wants to bash everyone he sees.

Your post made me think that the PC is not the Dragonborn, but perhaps after performing various feats and getting a certain artifact or something that you are eventually able to channel/become the Dragonborn or it's avatar for some period of time to fulfill a prophecy to prevent Alduin from nomming all of mankind.

Like perhaps channeling some form of a long dead Septim bloodline (Dragonborn) and using it's power to defeat Alduin.

To continue fearabbit's thought.. If Alduin is one of the divines, the enemies fear the dragonborn (so he should be pretty powerfull by any standard) and we hear about his blessings, could the dragonborn simply be Talos ?

EDIT hehe too late

Are Dovakhiin and Talos really synonymous?

I really hope that we are the Dragonborn. The stone slab you see in the video is just a representation of what the white man thought he, or she for that matter, would look like. Man and Mer has been wrong before, and taking in the fact that these prophesizing men are at the peak of a really cold mountain they are probably prone to make a mistake or two.

Did anyone make such a claim? All I can see are speculations.
Personally, I guess the Dragonborn will be someone completely new. There isn't a whole lot of lore about Skyrim and the Nordic beliefs, and I'm not familiar with anyone in the known lore who is supposed to be a dragonborn, whatever that name exactly means. I was just going through the lore concerning avatars of Lorkhan/Shor, and none really fit well. Which is sad because I'm hoping for Wulfharth or the Underking to make an appearance in some way or the other.

The Amulet of Kings was created at the death of Alessia, so the Septim line wasn't the first.
In otherwords, Dragonborn isn't synonomous with the Septims...

The Remans even used the Amulet of Kings.

Therefore Dovahkiin doesn't need to be imperial of nord, he can be whatever because it is, IMO, a title given by the Aedra, likely Akatosh.


Really my question is how does Akatosh, or Alduin in Skyrim, name a hero to defeat himself?
(Assuming Alduin is the antagonist)

Unless the Dovahkiin has nothing to do with the Septims.

A few times on this very page, at least;



Also,

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Talos#Talos

This! Every numbered Elder Scrolls game puts you on the shoes of someone completely unknown and unimportant dude who rises as a hero.

Akatosh named Martins ancestor Dragonborn, the same could happen to the hero in skyrim, and who says you have to be of 1 race or another to named dragonborn, whoever believes that is probably a r/l racist lol J/K because if you going by the depictions in the frieze/icon/wall carving you dont understand the relationships of the ancient peoples to their carvings, they usually only depict people of their own race or likeness as representations to their prophecies, if it is to be us and I am sure it will, as that is how TES usually works, then you will be able to be any race available.

At least in my post that you quote, I'm not saying it's synonymous. Tiber Septim was called dragonborn AFAIK, hence the possibility I described. If someone is called Jim, it doesn't mean that the name Jim refers only to him. But it could refer to him.

There are many possibilities in the story. After Oblivion and the reactions to the main story, I would guess that they'll probably make the player be this dragonborn character in one way or another. But it's not bad to explore other possibilities.

Nerevar was a Chimer.

Think of Almalexia and half of Vivec. He was around before the little disagreement with Azura happened, before she made the dunmer.

I would like to think that, like Nerevar Reborn, you could be the chosen one. Or could learn to be, as the Ashlanders said. It was interesting to not be the sole hero and savior of the world with Martin, but I kinda liked Morrowind's story.

What I'm wondering is if you start off in jail again.

One of these games, Beth is going to have to let you know what you did to end up there......

Jazzhat:

The first quote doesn't say anything about Talos being the Dragonborn and the second has a question mark at the end. :huh:

Concerning Talos being the "Dragon of the North", there just isn't much information on that, at least I couldn't find a lot. UESP isn't very good at providing sources for its claims sometimes... all I could find was that people started calling him (or King Wulfharth? that always confuses me) like that, but not why. There isn't (yet) any mention of anyone being related to dragons.

Edit: Oh, seems like I was wrong. Talos actually is called Dragonborn. Nevermind that last paragraph then. Well, now I additionally hope that not only the player won't be Dovahkiin, but also that Talos won't be Dovahkiin. (As for the player being a manifestation of Talos, now that I can't imagine.)

Looks like its time to play sidekick again, oh well.

He said that the Dragonborn was a Septim, i.e., Talos. I was just noting that other people were saying Talos=Dovahkiin.

While I was disappointed with the way Oblivion was handled, I'm also quite tired of being the main guy. Too predictable IMO.

Why not a combination of the two? You, a hero, and the Dragon born...a hero? A concept most people would shy away from. Perhaps both could be heros, with equal glory, within the same storyline?
What if a dragon, a near myth in TES lore, was to be the main threat? It would take more than just one man, hero or not, to take it down...perhaps a large group of heros to take down this threat?

IMO this approach would be more refeshing than the cliche': You are the hero son! You will defeat massive dragons...gods...the whole universe with a mere sneeze!!! BUT you start off in jail, and have no clue you are the hero...
Kinda sick of that model if you ask me.

That's Bioware's schtick.

Didn't know that Bioware had a pantent on a concept? I'm pretty certain Bioware got their influence from some other source.

It's still something new to the the TES world, and I'm certain Bethesda can make it original to stand out and not just be a "Bioware's schtick"...