Ohhh he pooned youu with his infailable lodgic.

Uriel Septim and his wife would have known about him.

In the ending video of Oblivion, Martin says: "The last of the Septims passes now into history"

That is an exact quote, no words omitted.

They don't just say that and then another Septim shows up to save Skyrim. Dovahkiin is as unrelated to Tiber Septim as Martin is to Alessia.

I'm gonna be the hero this time! And if I'm not the Dragonborn, then I'm going to kill him/her and save the Mundus myself! I refuse to be second banana again!

maby you have to KILL the dragonborn!!
that would be teh dramatics !!

Granted, Martin would actually have no idea whether he was the last of his line, he just assumes he is.

Oh, come on! Its been stated in lore now! How can you disagree with this hard evidence? Todd Howard knows and I bet that he approved of the ending video. The whole BGS team knows that all of the Septims are dead.

There is nothing to disagree with! You can't just state that Martin was not the last Septim.

Lol, I'm not disagreeing with him being the last of the Septims, I'm just saying that the fact that Martin said he was isn't valid proof for the fact.


I'd be more inclined to use Wulf's dialogue as evidence for us seeing the last of the Septims.

Wow. Thats pretty matter of fact. So what makes you so sure that the Dragonborn has to be a Nord or Imperial? A cave painting. Gee, thats a reliable source.

No the Argonian Makes-Pelt-From-Cat will be the new Emperor! :toughninja:

Hm. I was kinda assuming the Imperial race would cease to exist. Since the old Empire was ruled by a guy who was from Skyrim -- Talos -- It seems more like a shift in cultures. In Arena you couldnt pick Imperials for some reason, though you were neck-high in kitties.

Talos was from High Rock. 'Cept back then he went by Hjalti.

I'm gonna go ahead and say that what you see in the teaser video, of all things, is not concrete proof as to how the game will work. It is ESSENTIAL in every Elder Scrolls game for you to play as whoever you want, however you want. Attempting to speculate about whether or not you are the Dovahkiin, whether the Dovahkiin is supposed to be Imperial, Nord, or Elven, and how the Dovahkiin relates to the many other figures who have also had the title of "dragonborn" is as futile as figuring out what role the dragons play, where they came from, and how the main plot of the game will work.

My only thought on the matter is that I'd like to think that Bethesda learned from Oblivion's criticism, and so my answer to the questions in the first post is 3. None of the above. But that's really going out on a limb there, because there is only a slight bit more probability to support the fact that neither options are true than not.

The GI issue will be coming soon. Until the day it arrives at my house, I will withhold any speculation, or at the very least devoting my full faith into any one idea. The developers at Bethesda have the final say, and by this point they already know how the storyline will work. The only way you will figure this out is to torture one of them for the information, sneak into their headquarters like a ninja and steal their plans, or wait for them to release the information themselves, which will probably be in GI. What I can say for certain is that, with this much speculation, people will be disappointed when their far-fetched assumptions based on inconclusive evidence from the trailer proves to be incorrect. So, don't make statements like "You are not the Dragonborn" because you don't know any more about it than the people who say "You are the Dragonborn" The only thing you can say with this much evidence is "You might be the Dragonborn. You might not. Who knows?"

The fact that Bethesda emphasized Dovahkiin so much in the trailer practically is a blatant affirmation of the player's role. Most consumers will assume that they will play as Dovahkiin, and to deprive them of that and instead relegate them to errand-boy status would precipitate quite a bit of disappointment.

I fear you , and i fear more reality. Reality is always more cruel than any of the imagination we can Spawn.
I wouldn t be surprised if BETHESDA has degraded itself to GOTHIC 4.

The shrill voices, the terrible voice acting, the horror, the horror!

I'd rather be the Dragonborn, even though it would limit the races I'd be able to play as.


One of the things that annoyed me most about Oblivion's story, was the fact that I was little more than a glorified errand boy.

As long i don t start being the one, as long i can choose to try not to be but end there by a smart tale i m in.

Oblivion, Gothic like tales where you are being the noone suddenly propelled to have to be the one is good for childs tales on bed time.

It would REALLY be REFRESHING in by a certain date (FAR AHEAD) you don t do the main quest SOMEONE ELSE DOES IT and you end up being a FAMOUS JHON DOE, but nothing else because DESTINY HADN T WAITED FOR YOU! Would be awesome to make that date setable on some .TXT or similar archive.

NOW that would be surprising, but game designers/writers have been so unimaginative in the last 5 years its frustrating.

Oh yea.

Because you totally didn't help Martin, who was the true 'Hero' of Oblivion, at all.

I don't think the player is Dovahkiin, hell I may not have been paying much attention to the teaser but to me, he sounded like the BAD guy! 'The one they fear' etc. etc.

The "one they fear" is in reference to the dragons. Assuming that the dragons are the bad guys, that makes the Dovahkiin a good guy. Specifically THE good guy, the hero, if the enemies fear only him.

I still don't understand why everyone thinks the Dragonborn has to be a Nord or Imperial because a cave carving shows him as that. The only reason he's depicted as one is because it's a prophecy made by Nords what else would they depict him as?

Bingo

No, the lore. The dragonborn have always been descendants of the Nedes as far as I recall.

Clearly waiting isn't an option. I'm not a fan of torture unless you're talking the "mental anguish" kind, which is why I created this thread to begin with, so lets get the ninja plan in motion.

Bethesda has already done this. It's called Redguard. It isn't a TES game. If they did this for Skyrim, then there wouldn't have been a "V". A TES game lets you play who you want, what six you want. If you can't pick a race or six or how you look, then it's not a TES game. Skyrim is TES V so yeah, you will be who ever, what ever six you want to play as.