Yeah, by House and his robo-army.

Enclave, scattered all over the place, nobody can find us.

Lore, bro?






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cl won t be around that long

Followers of the apocalypse.. Maybe just one of thire guards, but still helping the world =)

Speaking of the Followers, it always annoyed me that the guards complained about wanting better armor, yet no viable quest to do so was present, I'd more than happily shell out 20,000 caps to upgrade them to Combat Armor Mk ll armor if that's what it took. I'm a fan of their cause for a better wasteland.

To bad Talon Company was one dimensional in Fallout 3. I just had an awesome vision for Future Talon Comany. With the second Fall of the Enclave, some join Talon Company. What would also be good imo, Brotherhood under Lyons rebelling. I can picture Talon comany sending memebers to join the BoS to get their hands on PA and better weapons. Or just outcast and Lyons soldiers sick of risking their ass for nothing. Greed is apart of human nature. Seeing these Talon guys rolling in caps for doing the samethings you do. Would add an element of betrayal. I hope they focus on them more. Start giving characters personalities.

True to Caesar!

TRUE TO CAESAR!

Followers - hippies with guns trying to make the world a better place, just like me. Well I've got guns and I sometimes try to make the world a better place.

This is true but only in an in game practice, as Obsidian had a heavy bias towards the NCR when making the game. Hence why they get all the neat little hidden perks and most of the locations in the Mojave. But if you brush up on your lore, and read some of the Van Buren documentation, the Legion was the baddest of the bad ass. Which is why they've been able to take over most of the South Western U.S. (Arizona, New Mexico, Utah, Colorado (possibly even some of Texas?)). With relative ease, and it is also the reason why all the NCR dialogue about the Legion is usually fearful of them, because the lore has made it very clear that the Legion are not to be screwed with.

Hence I would join either them, or for a more practical and safe approach the Boomers. A.) They have a lot of fire power B.) Up until you got lucky and made it through their artillery barrage they were untouchable. Only downside though is that they are Xenophobic which would almost inevitably cause them to die off due to lack of trade.

And they have a very tight family. :teehee:

Only problem is the van buren 'lore' is non existant. It's the game that never was, so unless some of the 'ideas' from that game are implemented, there is no van buren 'lore'

Uh, yeah there is.
The lore exists.
It's just not canonized and should not be taken into account in arguments when using facts.

Hey, its nothing personal. I know you have a major crush on the Legion. But Van Buren was never made, for all intent and purpose it is no more credible now than user fanfiction.

Fair enough, but some of the Van Buren lore has been confirmed canon due to it being referenced directly in New Vegas. Mostly the fact that the Legion owns all of Arizona, most of Utah (Dead Sea I believe says he's from the shores of the Great Salt Lake), and if I'm not mistaken Colorado is mentioned somewhere in there (Rex?). As well as their lands being incredibly safe with little to no Raider activity.

Yeah definitely. It's just there are a lot of people that use Van Buren as some kind of fallout bible on these forums. If an 'idea' in Van Buren is later used in an actual released game then yes I can go along with that. I'm not saying the Legion weren't at least better than tribals. To be honest though, thats all they needed to be. They (as far as we know so far) have only taken over and enslaved small-time tribal villages etc. The first time they run into a substancial civ, they lose. Albeit through superior military intelligence, but they still suffered a massive loss that forced them to spend years rebuilding their forces.

Very true, I am definitely not discrediting the NCR for Military Strength, it's just I see them as becoming to much like old world America for my comfort. There are quite a bit of good people running the NCR, it's just they are few and far between because for every
Hanlon (Hanlon had the right idea of let's just leave the Mojave and focus on fixing up the problems in the NCR's mainland rather then keeping up this expansion.) there's at least ten Oliver's. (Oliver may be a 'good' strategist but let's face it he's a bit of an idiot) NCR would definitely be up there on my list of factions to side with.

Hehe yeah, svcks that I had to make Hanlon commit suicide. It's a problem though, I agree NCR are starting to resemble the 'old world' but thats an inherent problem with the FO universe. At some point things are going to start to advance back to what they were pre-war..

Hands down NCR or BOS(hopefully they change there damn ways).

They slaughtered tribes. Then never met the might of a large organized opponent with great equipment. They are glorified radiers.

They don t scare me............ unless I m on the front. NCR men will die, but cl will get turned back or die. Instead of throwing leaders off of canyons they should have rethought their large scale battle tactics.

Van Buran does not count only fo nv counts.

How about Power Armored opponents, Super Mutants, NCR Rangers, opponents with Combat Armor, and doing it all with melee weapons.

Rook, look at the Cents armor, it is made of armor he got from opponents he killed, power armor, combat armor, ranger armor, super mutant armor, and he is based on a life of devotion to a military that attacks using waves of melee rushing and tactical flanking, to have done all this is the most brutal army in the wastes, a Cent is far stronger than a Ranger Vet in terms of physical prowess and strategy.

Yeah.. Apparently the centurians have killed some of these other enemies? Taking down someone wearing combat armor I can buy, killing rangers I can buy. Not in one on one melee combat though. (when you challenge the arena the legion guy himself is amazed when you beat the ranger.. He states that noone can beat a ranger..) Taking down someone wearing Power armor I do find a little hard to believe though and Stupid Mutants? Nah forget it, unless they ambushed them. Seeing how every centurian has the exact same armor, thats a lot of BOS/Stupid mutants that the legion have killed..Kinda strange since they're so weak?

The centurian armor is definitely kinda quirky though. As with a lot of things in Nv though, there are some things that just don't make sense. I wouldn't really count on it too much as evidence of a centurians strength...

Except it is right there black and white, clear as crystal. The Cents are that damn strong, lore says this, gameplay doesnt represent this, so it needs to be addressed, they arent as strong as they should be in the game.

Yeah either that or they should alter the centurians armor to more accurately represent what they can kill? Perhaps some fiend armors and gecko skins? lol