Sure, lets throw all lore and logic to hell, because that makes so little sense. You forget that the Legion almost beat the NCR at the first battle of Hoover Dam, the in-game stats are so biased towards the NCR, the rangers get exclusive perks and the legion have low stats even though they should be much stronger.

exactly. Seeing how the person is amazed by taking down a Ranger is pretty pathetic. I CANT see how the Legion takes down guys in power armor that are trained and have advance weaponary and armor...no i dont see a legion taking them out with there junk machetes. Hell a machete cant even penetrate a PA. Further more the Centurion armor would have alot of disadvantages to it and weak spots.

Nah I'm not saying that. But there is definitely a contradiction regarding these centurians no? I don't remember exactly but is it written in the game somewhere where these CL's got their armor from or is it just things wrote in the wikia? The wiki seems to have a lot of information I've never heard of regarding the legion. Probably taken from Van buren?

This is the lore of the Legion, from dialogue in the game, what you are saying is true, they arent accurately represented in the game, this needs to be patched, they need to be made strong enough to live up to their lore.

Yeah I here this word 'Lore' quite a lot regarding the legion... Van Buren was never made, anything wrote in there was just an idea for a game that never made it. Until it's in an actual game its nothing but fanfic.. If the origins of the centurians armor is actually spoken of in the game then it must be true, I don't remember it at all though and I've spent hundreds upon hundreds of hours playing NV?

when CL was made a major faction in NV, its Van Buren Lore is made canon until proven otherwise.

LMAO! No I'm afraid not. Just because a game 'that was never made!' says something doesn't even make it relevant in the current FO universe. You're getting it backward. Untill it's in a game it's NOT 'lore'.. It's fanfic (albeit fanfic written by people who know a lot about FO)

It's like someone making a homebrew version of FO and then claiming what they put in it is lore. Now I realise Van Buren was developed by Black Isle, but it was never released. So anything in there was and STILL IS merely concept work. Certainly not this mystical lore you speak of.

No it's not.

NCR Born and Raised. Well, pre-post-apocalyptic NCR born and raised haha.
I even got a Military Jacket from Old Navy last year and got an NCR patch for the shoulder.
Gotta love the Nerd Jersey hahaha.

Guys, let's get back on track. This thread is not for picking your favorite faction, but for deciding which faction would be practical to join, if you were in such a situation in real life. And as far as being practical goes; well, let's just say that Caesar's Legion is far from being a practical decision by an average human being. From what we know, all able-bodied men are taken to become recruits. From the rest, those that can still manage work are made slaves. All those remaining are killed, as they're unnecessary.

Now, best case scenario, you'll become a recruit. Imagine that: the training is brutal, you have very few rights, and all the while, you're brainwashed into thinking the only purpose you serve is to be Caesar's slave. As for those thinking they can just become a Centurion: to even be qualified to become a Centurion, one needs years of experience and a kill count in the hundreds. You don't become a Colonel or brigadier in a short while, so why would you think becoming a Centurion is an easy task?

I like to think the Leigon found a West-Tek warehouse full of T-45d shoulder plates and used those, thinking they'd look "mighty". Then they realized everyone else had already gone to T-51b, and invented the stories of killing power-armored enemies.

Well, by that logic no faction is really that practical, they all have their own MAJOR failings that would make them a horrible choice. The NCR is slowly destroying itself and making enough enemies where joining them would surely get you killed by something in the Mojave. The Boomer's would just kill you for trying to get anywhere near them so you wouldn't really have a way to join them, then if somehow you did, you've seen their xenophobic ways and surely that can't end well. Same pretty much goes for the Brotherhood of Steel. Then there's House's faction, you don't really get to choose that one, he chooses you so if we're taking the same course and actually using real world logic like you're trying to force us to then you're probably not going to be allowed anywhere near the Lucky 38. Now what does that leave? Great Khans? Not too practical since they're in pretty rough shape in the game after the way the NCR has been treating them and the Legion's been using them. Sorry if I'm forgetting anyone's favorite faction.

Anyways, I just noticed, the OP says they'd get to fly the bomber. How is that following any of this logic you say we need to follow?

He is amazed you beat that one Ranger, not all Rangers.

As far as the debate between centurians and rangers go they're both the best of the best in their factions, lore wise you wouldn't want to cross paths with either one of them. As for where the centurians got their armor pieces from the Legion has conquered how many states, 3 or 4? For all we know they did destroy a Brotherhood base out there somewhere and thats where they got the armor from.

I'd stay in Jacobstowns: relaxed, secluded and peaceful. That or I'd live with the Followers of the Apocalypse/Goodsprings

Negative, he says Ranger's, plural.

Yeah, sounds more plausible than them actually killing strong enemies...

NCR if I can go SpecOps, as their grunts have it tough. Else, probably FotA, even if just as a guard.

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"Only problem is the van buren 'lore' is non existant. It's the game that never was, so unless some of the 'ideas' from that game are implemented, there is no van buren 'lore'"

"Uh, yeah there is.
The lore exists.
It's just not canonized and should not be taken into account in arguments when using facts."

The lore do exist, it's just not canon.

Pretty big difference between something not existing and not being a part of canon... Personally I don't see the big deal if you look at Van Buren's lore (which I've looked over recently, very enlightening) and glean a bit more of Legion's current state/history from it. For all we know they could be taking a great deal of that Van Buren lore and adding it to Honest Hearts, which I think would be awesome.

NCR, 1st Recon of course:)

The difference is in Van Buran they had stuff to make them beasts in game, and not some scrubs like we have here. Great writing, but a cake walk in game. cl barely ever even hurt me. They have little to no ranged attack, and the rifles they do carry are ready to break, so they are not effective.

Im not running down there and sword fighting them either. Its not my fault the were influened by a 3000 year old society. They even forgot archers with flaming arrows. That may have made them dangerous.

cl is glorified Vipers with more hp and dt. They are scrubs......

The only time they ever got me is when I was forced into cqc, Ceasers tent and Lanius that is it. Every single other instance I saw cl they did little to no damage...............scrubs

Rainbow Confederation (Cut from FO2)

or

Boomers


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Which is a bad thing, because the game is set with the NCR having almost been beaten in the first battle of Hoover Dam, being beaten when they attacked Legion territory, and are currently being held back by... "scrubs"... the Legion is strong, the game does not represent this, but it is based off the lore that they are, so the gameplay needs to be addressed so the Legion actually stands up to themselves in the lore than the game is based in.

I am pro-NCR, but I dont let my bias make me prefer that the game remain illogical and unbalanced. I recognize the legitimacy of the Legion in lore, even if it casts a darker light on the NCR, i am able to look past my bias, a characteristic some people are incapable of duplicating.

New California Republic, be a Ranger specifically. Just something about picking someone/something off from hundreds of yards away that pulls me to it.

Though, NCR does have it's flaws, maybe I'd be a renegade or something. Hah.