I know there are some old people around here who will spit up their blood pressure medicine after reading this, but the previous Fallout games before 3 are just painfully terrible. I'm an old gamer too, and I fondly remember playing everything from Might and Magic 1 forward, including the first Fallout game, which, for its time, wasn't THAT bad I guess. So anyway, I never played the second one, probably because I never thought the first one was that great. So I picked up a copy of it three days ago and I've been trying to give it a fair and square chance since I've heard how awesome it was/is. Hahaha, I have to say it's truly, truly, terrible. I've played several hours each day wondering how could so many people praise this thing's value so high.

So yeah you start off in Fallout 2 with no armor and a stick (spear) then you get thrown into this dungeon with radscorpions and get poisoned a hundred times so you're pretty much hosed if you didn't take some melee or unarmed strength and endurance character. The first character I made was a science type and it took me the entire first day just to get out of the dungeon and win the fistfight with the guy guarding the door. So I decided to make a melee heavy character and figured I could get some science and other stuff later on. Well the rest of the game isn't much better I'm finding out. I just spent an hour fighting this Mr Handy robot who is guarding a wrecked vertibird with two dead enclave soldiers on the ground. I finally beat the robot and tried to loot the wreck and bodies only to find out there was nothing on them. No items whatsoever. Hahaha. Nice. So then I decided to be a bad guy in Fallout 2 and at level 3 go on a killing spree with the guns and spiked knuckles I found in the first town only to be killed easily by two unarmed women in a bathhouse. Uh yeahh awesome!

I blew it off my computer and took the disc into the back yard and shot it with my 12 guage.

Thank God for modern computer hardware and developers like Bethesda. I cherish my Fallout 3. May we never have to return to the dark ages of computer gaming again. Amen.

:lol: Age has nothing to do with it. ~preconception maybe, but people are not magically pre-inclined to love it or hate it based on their age.

You keep saying "terrible", but not why you think so. Myself I'd have been disappointed at the ridiculousness of finding a couple of helicopter pilots armed with miniguns and grenades. ~the "Loot" was information, and you seem to have missed that point.

Classic
~destroy what you don't understand.

We're all happy about the new hardware and what it can do.... just not all of us are content with what's being done with it. IMO Fallout 3 is a shameful step down for the series in all thinks except art and level design.

I referenced age because I'm not exactly a youngster, so I thought a little perspective was in order.

Not all old games are bad, but the earlier fallout titles were.

I did say exactly why it was terrible.

I destroyed it because it was horrible - E.T. The Extra Terrestrial Terrible.

Fallout 3 a shameful step down? LOL wow. Thank God you're a dying breed of gamer. So, go off and die somewhere quietly will you?

Fair enough.

No... you said that you could not figure out how to play ~Myself I've made it through that opening tutorial with only one fight (at the end) ~and usually I'm through in less than 15 minutes.

Absurd.

:lol: I don't believe your claim to age, and your comment marks & defines you for all to see.

~as for "dying breed" ha! Of course... Those are the kind drawn to the Fallout series (prior to Fallout 3); The perplexing thing is if one is not of the same kind... why the interest in the Fallout franchise at all?

Ok, you're just being an obtuse old fool now. Never said I couldn't figure out how to play, just that it was irritating to no end. And why wouldn't the player explore the dungeons, especially the first one? Are you even paying attention to what you're saying here?

Anyone claiming that Fallout 3 is a "shameful step down" from a 1998, top down, buggy, snoozefest needs to just stop playing games all together.

So yeah you start off in Fallout 2 with no armor and a stick (spear) then you get thrown into this dungeon with radscorpions and get poisoned a hundred times so you're pretty much hosed if you didn't take some melee or unarmed strength and endurance character. The first character I made was a science type and it took me the entire first day just to get out of the dungeon and win the fistfight with the guy guarding the door. So I decided to make a melee heavy character and figured I could get some science and other stuff later on. Well the rest of the game isn't much better I'm finding out. I just spent an hour fighting this Mr Handy robot who is guarding a wrecked vertibird with two dead enclave soldiers on the ground. I finally beat the robot and tried to loot the wreck and bodies only to find out there was nothing on them. No items whatsoever. Hahaha. Nice. So then I decided to be a bad guy in Fallout 2 and at level 3 go on a killing spree with the guns and spiked knuckles I found in the first town only to be killed easily by two unarmed women in a bathhouse. Uh yeahh awesome!

Yeah, but going undercover into an Enclave base and stealing armor and V-Bird plans was awesome... :fallout:

Fair enough, we're all entitled to our own opinions.

Just for a little perspective, the very things you point out as negatives in this quote (the difficulty in getting out of the first dungeon, the struggle to survive, etc) are exactly what made me fall in love with that game. If you don't focus early on in melee, unarmed etc - you have to really change your gameplay strategies. I learned pretty early on in that game that if my Science/ Speech character was going to make it out of that first dungeon, I was going to have to spend a lot of it running away from radscorpions (or changing my strategy and using my higher AP score to attack and then step away, causing the radscorpions to burn all their APs in chasing me, leaving them with too few to attack me.)

If you focused more on the non-combat side of things, you could often talk your way out of having to fight the guard at the end of the game.

Those are the things I liked about Fallout 2, and what I find myself feeling nostalgiac for when I play Fallout 3.

Fair enough.

No... you said that you could not figure out how to play ~Myself I've made it through that opening tutorial with only one fight (at the end) ~and usually I'm through in less than 15 minutes.

Absurd.

:lol: I don't believe your claim to age, and your comment marks & defines you for all to see.

~as for "dying breed" ha! Of course... Those are the kind drawn to the Fallout series (prior to Fallout 3); The perplexing thing is if one is not of the same kind... why the interest in the Fallout franchise at all?

Ok, you're just being an obtuse old fool now. Never said I couldn't figure out how to play, just that it was irritating to no end. And why wouldn't the player explore the dungeons, especially the first one? Are you even paying attention to what you're saying here?

Anyone claiming that Fallout 3 is a "shameful step down" from a 1998, top down, buggy, snoozefest needs to just stop playing games all together.

Over 70% says Fallout 3.

Scoreboard, [censored].

This isn't even up for discussion anymore with me. Anyone trying to compare the garbage from 11 or 13 years ago with the ultra coolness we have today just needs to thump their thorazine drip and go back to sleep.

It wasn't fun. It was irritating running away from everything if you were a science type. OK? I did the same thing you are explaining. The only difference is I realize what it is - TERRIBLE balance and level design. God!

This isn't even up for discussion anymore with me. Anyone trying to compare the garbage from 11 or 13 years ago with the ultra coolness we have today just needs to thump their thorazine drip and go back to sleep.