What dialogue indicates this? Because I don't recall hearing anything about an Institute civil war.

All Father needed to do was designate a successor. Dr. Li would be a likely choice, but Allie Fillmore would be a solid one as well, or Holdren for that matter.

None of them sounded like they were at each other's throats.

Institute.

I doubt the BoS would find a way into the Institute in time, or at all.

It took the help of a synth to actually figure it out yourself.

There is a terminal that mentions a runaway synth located around the Airport that cannot be extracted due to Brotherhood presence. I can only assume it refers to him.

During the open revolt with certain members of Bioscience.

The Institute could easily win a war of attrition, something the BOS, Railroad, or the Minute Men could not endure.

The Institutes' internal politics would have very little bearing of this type of war.

That "revolt" was about the SS, an outsider, becoming Director. Not about internal squabbles.

And it was two guys with too much time on their hands. One of whom didn't even really want to go along with the hair-brained scheme. Hardly a bona-fide rebellion.

It's always a possibility that I've read too much into him. The way he described things made it sound like infighting is the expected mode of succession for the Institute, but one man's anecdote is hardly enough to solidify anything on.

Institute.

Without you, nobody has the means to even reach the Institute's HQ, and not for a lack of trying, either. The one guy who can tell people about it is essentially an unperson. Nobody knew Virgil even existed before we got a look at Kellog's memories. And without the SS to stop him, Kellog would have likely killed Virgil before anyone else knew who he was, where he was, and that he was the key getting into the Institute.

You can't stop an enemy that you can't fight. And nobody can actually do more than waylay Institute patrols without knowing their headquarters.

war never changes, nobody wins.

Pretty much this.

I voted Institute because the BoS needs so many things just to get that robot working including an institute scientist while they cannot get to the institute while the institute only needs to get the nuclear core in order to beat the BoS, its a lot easier also their in a giant blimp just shoot it with a high powered rifle and it will come crashing down.

Institute. Railroad is too small, and they have no way to infiltrate the Institute without you. BoS has their hands full with super mutants, they don't have a way to infiltrate the Institute, dr. Li wouldn't be recruited without you so no Liberty Prime. Plus, the virus can be inserted into Liberty Prime. Minutemen are almost dissolved, Garvey would have killed himself since he's suicidal and cease to exist. Institute can make synth, self sustained, and can infiltrate any group with their synth. Even the Brotherhood or Steel are not immune to infiltration.

I'd fine that hard to believe. The Institute is a society that thrives on order and the mundane. They're the types that get overly giddy when a new food supplement pill rolls in. And read data spreadsheets in their off time.

They don't seem the type to implement Alexander "To the strongest" rules for passing the Director's chair.

Actually, they don't even need that really.

Phase 3 is just looking forward to the distant future and power needs.

Ehh too many variables. The only for sure thing is that'd be between the Institute and Brotherhood. If the Brotherhood took the Commonwealth they could potentially starve the Institute of resources and win by attrition. I only say this because the Brotherhood had already learned the Institute were using RF waves. They just didn't know it was their actual door to the Commonwealth. All it'd take would be pinpointing the point of origin of the RF waves or one slip up by an Institute Gen-1.

Oh please. The BoS can't even hire competent pilots. There's no way they could trace anything. All the Institute would have to do is put some Gen 1's in hats and they'd be able to infiltrate the BoS and take them down form the inside. The BoS wouldn't even notice they were synths.

Gameplay story segregation is a thing. And please stop debating like the Institute is your favorite soccer team. Gives way to bias.

Possibly. But the issue then becomes, could The Brotherhood maintain a net that big?

I mean, the Commonwealth is a big place, filled with quite a few hostile entities that aren't friendly to The Brotherhood. In order to completely starve the Institute of raw materials, they'd have to cast a very, very wide net in order to cover every possible scaving location what with The Institute's relay capabilities. Its almost impossible. They'd be stretched incredibly thin.

Also, Bioscience produces all the food The Institute needs in-house in the form of supplements processed via the hydroponics farms, and they undoubtedly draw up and purify water from underground aquifers. So ultimately, The Institute could never been fully "starved out." They might have to cut back production significantly, but even then, that's alot of work for The Brotherhood to do with little gain.

The Institute has the upper hand even if The Brotherhood puts the entire region to siege I'd say.

Remind me how they made this discovery independent of the SS?

Also Danse -> Synth -> Recall code -> Reprogram to kill BoS.

1) It's the very first thing Scribe Haylen says when you meet her outside Cambrige PD

2) Is it established that Danse is Institute or RR reprogrammed. Oh that's right. It isn't. All synths are in the Institute database though.

What? Sorry, but I can't stand the BoS. Big guns and armor and not much else. Their whole philosophy is terrible and, to me they are nothing but a bunch of militaristic thugs that offer nothing to the dynamic of the game but conflict. It's just my opinion.

I prefer anyone besides them.

I am not a huge supporter of the Institute, but, my point is that, the Institute is in no danger from the BoS. They have already been infiltrated and can be again, easily.

I personally prefer the MM and the RR, since they, at least have goals outside of simply conquering and destroying.

You cannot honestly tell me you believe that the BoS has the Commonwealth's best interests at heart. They always do the same thing. Come in. Invade. Take all the resources (and anything else they want) and then move on. It is their modus operandi and has been in all of the games.

Perhaps it is the xenophobic attitude that no-one except themselves deserve to exist and that they automatically are entitled to everything, and if you do not give it to them, they will take it.

Sorry, but I do not believe that the Supers are evil, nor the ghouls (including the ferals). They are the product of what we as humans created and now we have to deal with them and all the other mutated things that exist now. I also do not believe that synths are evil and deserve to be destroyed.

I suppose it is biased to support one team over the other. The question was, who would win if my character had not existed. The Institute. The MM are simply too weak, the RR too idealistic and the BoS too blind and poorly led. The Institute is organized, hidden and has existed for a long time completely separate from everyone else and has consistently used their abilities and resources prudently and well.

While I do not support the Institute, it is my opinion that they would win out in the long run, without question.

Don't believe me? What about the BoS not even being able to take out a group of ferals (10 maybe?) without the help of a woman that only just got out of a Vault after 200 years. The Minutemen couldn't take care of a rather small group of raiders without help of the same woman? And let's not get started on the Railroad...

Let's not forget Roger Warwick either, who could potentially and secretly provide the Institute with food with the genetically modified seeds.

These are good points. Keep in mind though that the Institute rely almost entirely on synths to interact with the CW. The BoS could hit them where it hurts and cut them off power. That would hurt synth production and with Power Armored believers hunting gen-1s down they'd eventually get stuck underground. Maxson is a tactician. He'd wait it out and get on the CW's good graces by exterminating Super Mutants and feral ghouls. The people would be wary but would understand the the BoS is filling the vaccum left behind by the MM's loss at Quincy.

But how though? The Institute generates its own power underground. They've just been sapping other installations above-ground to meet their increasing demand, what with new research projects being developed every day and expansion to the Institute forthcoming.

But given a crisis situation, I'm sure more stringent power conservation methods could be implemented. While still being able to send up scav teams every so often to grab materials. All the while eating supplement pills and drinking fresh water to their hearts content.

Yes, but the Brotherhood isn't self-sufficient. They require tributes of food from local farmers. So the longer the Brotherhood stays in the Commonwealth, the more food they require. The more troops they bring in to maintain their blockage, the more food they'll need to take. And given The Brotherhood's attitude towards wastelanders, that doesn't speak too well for hand-in-hand cooperation.

Eventually, someone somewhere would end up doing something stupid. Like shooting up a few farms because the farmers refused to give up their crops. At which point, Maxson is now occupying a hostile population.

There's no many things that can go wrong by implementing a full siege of The Commonwealth. And relatively speaking, The Institute would remain un-phased and safe underground. Maxson would have no-way of knowing if his tactics are even working, much less if they should continue to waste resources doing it.

And all that's assuming The Institute does absolutely nothing to hinder The Brotherhood (which is highly, highly unlikely and purely hypothetical). Like infiltration of their ranks, which we know is quite possible via Danse.

The Institute will easily win this outcome without our involvement.

Shaun will have chosen his successor, leaving the option for us should we arrive. Once he passes on, the plan will continue.

The BoS, while technologically strong, have already been infiltrated by a synth. All it would take is a command from Shaun and Danse could easily wipe out the Prydwen and Maxson, leaving the BoS leaderless. This only accounts for Danse, as we truly have no idea who else in the BoS would be a synth.

This move has already given the Institute the advantage it needs, and since it would be damn near impossible for a direct assault on the Institute, the BoS stand no chance of a fight externally, or internally. The sheer output of Type 1 synths would overwhelm the BoS within a year.

But the biggest advantage the Institute has are the Coursers, who can instantly teleport anywhere. There's absolutely no way the BoS can defend against this attack. A courser could pop up, drop a nuke, pop out and any attack force is vaporized.

The Railroad and Minutemen aren't even contenders.

That's quite a stretch. For someone who initially hates synths, Danse readily admits he is one in Blind betrayal? You would think he'd go through a period of denial of some sorts, but he doesn't. His only defense when ostracized by Maxson is that he had genuine feelings of loyalty and camaraderie towards the brotherhood.

" It's true, I was built within the confines of a laboratory, and some of my memories aren't my own. But when I saw my brothers dying at my feet, I felt sorrow..." Verbatim, from Danse.

Whether he is a synth or not isn't what I brought into question. It's whether he belongs to the Institute or was "freed" by the RR is what is unclear. If it's the former the BoS has a lot to worry about. If it's the latter less so. Either way that isn't established.