If you don't have an imagination, don't play Skyrim. : V - Skyrim

» Sun Dec 11, 2011 10:36 am

Excuse me what the [censored] is that supposed to mean

Maybe I don't like playing games in 3rd person, [censored].

It means that when you're in first person you don't see the world as you do in third. When you wander in first, you miss out on a visual piece of Skyrim.

» Sun Dec 11, 2011 4:45 am

Elder Scrolls has been (until Skyrim) a 1st person game, playing in 3rd person is meta-gaming, plain and simple. How is it immersive if my sight is from an imaginary camera a good 10 feet above my character's head, and I can see behind me without turning?

» Sun Dec 11, 2011 7:50 am

The game dosent break immersion, it is the void in your soul that dosent let you find away around it and you would probably like it better if you had found an rocket launcher

I thought that was hilarious. Yes, you have a point though. When I'm walking past a guard and they say "You know, I used to be an adventurer like you until ... "

Then I interupt them and say, "You took an arrow to the knee?" and then they realize I just used my third eye to predict what they were going to say and begin to spread news that I'm psychic

» Sun Dec 11, 2011 4:06 am

I'm going through the boards reading various comments and slowly realizing everyone that has "complaints" and "big problems" are the ones that can't find joy in Skyrim's simple side. I saw someone claim that the "economy was broken" ... It just blew my mind ... He said, "What will you spend money on after you buy and furnish all the houses?"

:facepalm:

I spend money on skill training, expensive items, and ingredients. I enjoy enchanting items, so I often times see what enchanted items the merchant has. If I see something that I could make useful, I buy it strictly to disenchant it. When it comes to the skill training, that [censored] gets expensive! Once you're level 75 or higher, each skill increase costs over 2,500 septims. My Alchemy education alone has cost me at least 20 grand. Not to mention the way I walk into an Alchemy shop, buy every single ingredient available, make potions out of them, and sell the creations back for a profit.

The economy is what you make it. If you hord money and believe it's only purpose is to buy houses ... then you will never see it's true value ... It's on YOU
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The same goes with gameplay. I feel sorry for people that say "Skyrim is repetative" because they clearly have no idea how to step outside of the box. They probably played in first person the entire time, fast traveled to every single place they could during the main quest, and got bored halfway through because there were no rocket launchers. They failed to explore the diverse country of Skyrim and appreciate everything it has to offer. They failed to find satisfaction out of swimming through the river catching River Betty or questing.

No ... they came to the conclusion it was "repetative". They went into ten caves and never even noticed they were different. They ran through it as if they were in some type of rush and completely overlooked the beauty that Skyrim offers. These people have no imagination! Make a background story for your character, give him a unique name, and truly BECOME him/her. That's the only way to connect with the world and understand what's got the nerds buzzing

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If you depend on the game to dictate what you do, you'll get bored. If you can't simply come up with a "quest" on your own and find satisfaction out of completing it, skyrim isn't for you. Some people just can't handle it ... their minds are too feeble. They need a game like CoD that is TRULY repetative so that they can fill the void in their soul of having no imagination what so ever. They never have to think and they never have to feel. They just kill ... over and over and over and over and over and over ...

I have to agree with a lot of this as I used to be one of the people that would never play one of these types of games. I tried several times but I just couldn't do it. I have always thought "I live in the real world" and there is no way I would enjoy this type of game. Then I had a really bad down turn with my health and my best friend started trying to get me to play Oblivion. I didn't want any part of it and then I got to where I became extremely limited in the activities I could do and then I picked up Oblivion GOTY edition, started and became insanely hooked on it. I didn't get very far simply because I found out Skyrim was coming out and I stopped playing. Now I am patiently waiting for the patch and I can't wait to get into the game.

» Sun Dec 11, 2011 11:02 am

It's discouraging to type out something that you put genuine thought into only to have it go straight to the bottom. I'd say that I was pretty justified when I said it. The last thing I want to talk about is how "destruction is broken" or what bethesda did wrong.

All I'm trying to say is Skyrim is what you make it. Those with hallow egg shell minds will not be able to have the experience that us with three eyes do.

Most people here agree that this game is fun to play. That still doesn't negate the fact that some skills are poorly balanced and can ruin the fun at some point, like sneak. Hard to believe someone with three eyes can't see that.

» Sun Dec 11, 2011 5:28 pm

It means that when you're in first person you don't see the world as you do in third. When you wander in first, you miss out on a visual piece of Skyrim.

When you play in third person you don't see the world as you do in first.

First is generally regarded as the most immersive way to play I thought.

» Sun Dec 11, 2011 10:36 am

It is rather ironic that the immersion brigade imply there is something "wrong" with playing in 1st person. I prefer to have a more "realistic" real world view, hence 1st person. If I want to see round a corner (completely destroying the realism) I'll go 3rd person.

either way, it's each to their own - there is no "right" or "wrong" or "hardcoe RP" way, just play how you enjoy it.

» Sun Dec 11, 2011 4:38 pm

Who needs a videogame? IT'S ALL IN MY HEAD! YEAH!!!

» Sun Dec 11, 2011 8:21 am

I thought that was hilarious. Yes, you have a point though. When I'm walking past a guard and they say "You know, I used to be an adventurer like you until ... "

Then I interupt them and say, "You took an arrow to the knee?" and then they realize I just used my third eye to predict what they were going to say and begin to spread news that I'm psychic

You could even spin it further and claim that you already knew it because the reason why spellmaking isnt in the game anymore is because of an accident involving a Mass Telekinesis spell and a troop parade under a holy tree, causing the infamous "Arrow-Knee" pandemic after the end of the Thalmor wars.

» Sun Dec 11, 2011 1:49 am

Imagination; now a substitute for lack of content and fixing immersion-breaking design.

The game world certainly is beautiful and lovely to look at, but the gameplay gets old very fast and there's very little replay value. Sure, I've had fun and didn't regret spending the money, but there's so little depth under that shiny surface that I can't see myself playing it regularly.

And if I want to have fun with my imagination, I break out one of the tabletop RPG and gather some friends. When I don't have any friends around, the Mythic GM Emulator will do just nicely. Don't need computer games for that.

» Sun Dec 11, 2011 4:38 pm

It means that when you're in first person you don't see the world as you do in third. When you wander in first, you miss out on a visual piece of Skyrim.

I'm calling troll as the camera angle and focal points of third person mean you tend to miss far more as your eye is constantly drawn the the character.

» Sun Dec 11, 2011 1:59 am

Good post OP! Agree with you.

I play in 3rd view and explore every nook and cranny. Love to just walk the roads and mountains. To see dead skeletons in animal lairs, to think how they fought and died in the middle of no where. To find some hidden shack with forgotten journal of a person.

I don't care for stats and "best" items, money or other piece of crap. Today I am a hunter, I put my fur clothes, a bow and a dagger and I am out. Tomorrow I like to do some jobs for the Companions, I put my heavy armour and my 2h sword, jump on my horse and off to go.

Always loved TES, because of that, they don't force you to do anything and you are left with your own imagination, to make your own stories.

Don't be upset with some players who lack imagination, they are so obsessed with meta gaming and mediocre games like WoW- CoD that they can't really enjoy games like Skyrim where your are free.

» Sun Dec 11, 2011 2:59 pm

Elder Scrolls has been (until Skyrim) a 1st person game, playing in 3rd person is meta-gaming, plain and simple. How is it immersive if my sight is from an imaginary camera a good 10 feet above my character's head, and I can see behind me without turning?

You won't understand using such absolutist thinking. But things in the real world aren't actually as cut and dry as a game of rock, paper, scissors. Immersion is not literally seeing through the eyes of your character, that is only a good method of immersion, one which you've narrowed down with absolutist literal terms through stark and anolytic classification. But it's not so literal at all.

Immersion comes from neural plasticity, and the human brain adapts in this process using mirror neurons responsible for things like empathy. 3rd person games stimulate this sense just as much as first person games.

The immersion you get through third person comes from the mind believing it is viewing a window into another world. Just as children lose themselves with their action figures, the brain will accommodate a transferal of point of view in any number of formats. Watching movies for instance.

You're touting immersion around as if it's some scale and only the most hardcoe immersive experience is not to be dismissed and belittled as "God of War".

The post which spawned your overly literal absolutist anolysis was not even presenting this as an either/or matter, it was criticizing staying in one view forever without any variety.

Third person immersion can, believe it or not, be used without using it as a meta cognitive cheat. You make it seem as if mentally keeping track of the surroundings behind you takes a great deal of effort, when it doesn't, at least not for me. I myself frequently do both.

» Sun Dec 11, 2011 4:21 pm

I don't understand why anyone would derive such emotions from whether or not other people enjoy the game as much as them.

If someone really enjoys the game then great, but there's no reason to try and belittle people that don't.

Also, it's "repetitive". Stop trying to give me an aneurysm. ?_?

» Sun Dec 11, 2011 10:23 am

You have a point saying that the way you approach the game is important, but the rest of your argument is just you belittling other people for not enjoying a game as much as you do. You're not gonna change anyone's mind by insulting them.

» Sun Dec 11, 2011 1:26 am

If you think the game is fine, more power to you.

But your post is now suggesting that even constructive criticism should not be allowed, because the devs have done a hard job so we should cut them some slack and overlook flaws.

No, we have the right to criticize the game in a constructive manner. That is what improves games.

» Sun Dec 11, 2011 9:58 am

It means that when you're in first person you don't see the world as you do in third. When you wander in first, you miss out on a visual piece of Skyrim.

No way man, I increased my FOV to 180 to not miss out a visual piece of Skyrim.

True story.

» Sun Dec 11, 2011 4:27 am

I put thoughts and feeling into my posts yet they go straight to the bottom as people continue to discuss monotonous topics

Welcome too internet forums (especially with a newly released video game).

I agree though, I think it because a lot of games feed you the setting an game options.

Thats not necessarily a bad thing (MGS4) but this isn't that type of game.

This type of game is a hell of a lot more fun if you... uhh whats the word i'm looking for... oh yeah ROLEPLAY.

As in it's a roleplaying game.

I mean hell, why do people think that they never see any battles between the stormcloaks and imperials at random (but suitible) parts of the map?

Or Why dragons don't randomly attack you until you complete the Dragon Rising quest.

It's the same reason oblivion gates weren't scattered across cyrodil until you closed the first one at Kvatch.

So that you can pretend that those events aren't happening and just make your own fun, with the game as a creative outlet.

It doesn't bother me that people complain for what I think are foolish reasons, because they always have and always will no matter how good the game is.

I and many other enjoy it for what it is, and that's fine with me.

» Sun Dec 11, 2011 3:42 pm

Oh look it's one of these threads again. Way too many assumptions in the OP to even bother writing any kind of real response to this garbage.

» Sun Dec 11, 2011 3:55 pm

Guys..I get so immersed in Skyrim that I sometimes feel like I LIVE in the game.

» Sun Dec 11, 2011 3:42 pm

I put thoughts and feeling into my posts yet they go straight to the bottom as people continue to discuss monotonous topics

Violins AT DAWN.

» Sun Dec 11, 2011 1:46 am

Guys..I get so immersed in Skyrim that I sometimes feel like I LIVE in the game.

When you begin to speak dragon tongue with your boss, you should be worried.

» Sun Dec 11, 2011 2:14 pm

OP is 100% correct.

Fact.

» Sun Dec 11, 2011 1:32 am

Than my question is:

Why the all of a sudden in thing to do is hate Oblivion? Yes it has flaws but I found it fun.

» Sun Dec 11, 2011 5:55 pm

Skyrim made me appreciate Oblivion so much more. Sure everybody looked derpy as hell, but it's like, they were MY derpy NPCs.