I've been wondering about all those morrowind purists that request all Morrowind like features that seem to hate Oblivion.... why do you even bother? its obvious that they wont take a step back and go back to all morrowind systems. There is one thing I am certain of and its that Skyrim will be closer to be an Oblivion 2 than a Morrowind 2.

What do you think about that?

Tears. Tears are what I think of that.

I don`t think it`s about the MW system Kitzler... the storyline and atmosphere where so much better (imho)
So is it a step back??? I don`t thinks so!!!

I dont really care, I loved Oblivion!

It's sad and disheartening, but also a possibility to save some money for beer.

Nobody wants to go back to all of Morrowind's systems. Nobody wants NPCs to be standing around doing nothing again, or Morrowind's stealth system. They just want the good things back: More skills, factions, varied landscape, levitation, more dungeon types, no over the top level scaling, etc.

But Morrowind wasn't a Daggerfall 2, Oblivion wasn't a Morrowind 2, and for the same reason I doubt Skyrim is going to be an Oblivion 2 either. It's Skyrim.

Why is that a step back? If I said I hope Skyrim has Morrowind's graphics, that'd be a step back. I think most ppl just like some of the features of Morrowind over the same (or lack of) features in Oblivion. I also think all of us expect all the features in Skyrim to be moving forward, less glitches/bugs, more seamlessness etc.

And I'm not sure why you are so sure Skyrim will be closer to Oblivion 2 then Morrowind 2, I think the devs are going to come up with a game that has some new stuff, and also uses the best from Morrowind and Oblivion. Maybe they'll realize some things in Oblivion weren't great and they'll fix or change them. That's moving forward, making changes to try and improve the game. If the devs decided that the change of merchant's money levels from Morrowind to Oblivion was a bad change, they'd be moving forward to change it back, or to something else

This is true, I don't think many players really want a "Morrowind 2", what they want is the aspects of Morrowind which they liked that they felt were lacking in Oblivion return in Skyrim, and this is quite understandable. While I don't necessarily agree on everything these players want in Skyrim, or don't want, for that matter, I'm sure we all want the best from Skyrim. And if it just so happens that any one of us feels that a past game did something better than another past game, or feel that something one game removed should have stayed in the series, of course these players will want something closer to whichever game they felt did it better.

In the past, Bethesda has always made each Elder Scrolls game different in many ways from those before it, and I see no reason to assume this will change with Skyrim. But just because Bethesda wants to ensure that the new game will not feel the same as an old one does not mean they cannot reuse ideas from past games in areas that they did well. Simply because one brings in something new does not mean the old must be abandoned, and I do feel that there were some things Morrowind did better than Oblivion, I am not saying Morrowind is a better game than Oblivion, I like both games, and have no desire to get into an ultimately fruitless debate over which is the superior game, but there were some aspects that Morrowind did pretty well, and I hope to see Skyrim do just as well in these areas, or even outdo it. For one thing, I want to see Morrowind's unique world return. Not to say that Skyrim should be a copy of Vvardenfell, of course, because it's not supposed to be Vvardenfell, it's supposed to be Skyrim, I just want a setting as interesting as Vvardenfell, though I suppose I would have no reason to complain about one even more so. I want to see Morrowind's variety in landscapes, equipment and so on, and I wouldn't complain about the skills and spells, at least ones that would still be relevant, which were removed from Morrowind to return in Skyrim, so long as the end result isn't a horribly unbalanced mess. Really, I just want Skyrim to be the best game Bethesda can make it, best if it can combine the best aspects of past Elder Scrolls games, and improve upon them further, though I don't really believe Skyrim can do EVERYTHING I feel EVERY Elder Scrolls game did well, but I don't think it's unreasonable to ask for it to improve on some of those areas of Oblivion I have felt the need to criticize, at the very least.

Bored to tears. If they strip the game down much more than they did in Oblivion it'll be just another boring FPS.

Who's even asking for a morrowind 2? What we're asking for is for bethesda to correct their mistakes with level scaling, maybe fast ravel, boring dungeons and other stuff. Morrowind 2 would svck, but oblivion 2 would be horrible

This really. And what povu said.

Asking for features =/= Wanting Morrowind 2

This sums it up perfectly.

The level scaling in Oblivion came from Daggerfall. End of discussion?

If Skyrim doesn't fix the flaws in Oblivion and doesn't go back to what Morrowind and Daggerfall did well, a more challenging RPG, than Skyrim will fail as miserably as Oblivion did with the hard core fans and they'll lose even more of the fan base that actually cares about the franchise. It would be a shame if that happens.

Why do you think this? If you make mistakes you don't go make them again just because you can.

The problem is I don't know if Todd and his dev team believe they made mistakes in Oblivion. I would hope they realized they did, but until we know more about Skyrim there is no way to know.

If you were around when Oblivion came out you would have seen World War III right here on the forums. I'm hoping Todd and his team saw that, saw what was posted, saw the complaints and took notes on what people were saying.

Let me just add, I'm going into Skyrim with an open mind and I'm going to wait until I hear more about the game until I start making opinions on what we can expect. I just can't be certain that we'll get what we want, and I say we I mean the hard core TES fans that want an RPG more along the lines of Arena, Daggerfall and Morrowind.

There seems to be this misconception that whenever someone suggests "let's use the implementation in Morrowind as a base for this particular feature..." we really mean "Morrowind rulez, all other games sukkkk!!11!!!". There is also great misunderstanding of the very way things were implemented in Morrowind. I've had "a fast travel system based on Morrowind's" repeatedly interpreted as "no fast travel AT ALL!!1!!11!"



So, why do we bother? I have no idea. I just hope the devs make the game as they see fit, because if they went off some of the prevalent opinions on this forum we'd be unlikely to get a game worthy of introduction to our blessed optical drives. Or Steam downloads.

I'm still waiting for Daggerfall 2. In my eyes, Bethesda hasn't even attempted something like Daggerfall again. Granted Daggerfall was a huge, randomly generated world the size of the UK, but you could still make it as big as Skyrim but put the same amount of content in the game. Where are the witch covens? Climbing? Levitation? Summoning rituals? Holidays?

Bethesda was far less inovative in Oblivion than when working on Morrowind and Daggerfall.
Assuming that we would extract all the best things from all of the games and assimilate them in skyrim ,
the ranking of prevailing features would be :
morrowind f , dagerfall feat. and oblivion feat. in the last place

I cant believe so many people are stuck on morrowind. Bethesda essentially pulled a squaresoft on the series. The world design was horribly executed and the gameplay was nerfed.



I recall the level scaling in Daggerfall actually working, as in always giving me a challenge. There were many times I had to resort to running away to stay alive, and treasure was actually worth getting killed over. Oblivion was more lopsided in its approach and the treasure was always mediocre. I dunno, maybe time is being kind. Daggerfall was a step forward from Arena, but for gameplay, every succeeding title had less to offer.



As for skyrim, if I cant climb a mountain--and I mean CLIMB not walk the beaten path or defy gravity walking straight on a 60 degree mountain side--then Im counting Bethesda as officially dead to me. Climbing a mountain in Oblivion was a tedious exploit of collision detection.

Very well put, Bethesda always tries new stuff, trhis will be Skyrim not MW2 or OB2

I'm not sure I agree. I know people complained that Fallout 3 was basically Oblivion with guns, but honestly to me it felt like a spiritual successor to Morrowind.

Oblivion 2 in a in snow and full of drunken Nords? I love TES and boutght every game in several exemplars, but even I woun't buy Skyrim if that's the case. When it comes to the gameplay Oblivion was a huge step back form Morrowind, mostly I believe, because Oblivions engine, while it allowed for a great graphics had some surprises in store for the dev team, and they spend to much time on making the game work to concentrate on details. So as fare as the looks go, I think Skyrim will look more like Oblivion, only with more thought through engine, and as for the gameplay, I sincerely hope that it will be back on Morrowind level, which is a usual for Bethesda games.

Heres a few points from a Morrowind Purist (me):

1. I dont hate oblivion, I was highly disappointed at the lack of immersion.

2. I still want to keep alot of the features that were introduced in oblivion, such as the inventory, combat system (with a few enhancements), lock picking and various other things.

3.However what Oblivion gained in features it lost in depth, the lack of join-able factions (the legion, the imperial cult,etc.), quests being too easy and/or repetitive. Most of the time things were thrown out right in front of you and you didnt have to search for them or use your brain, the quest marker was probably one of my most hated features.

4.Fast travel made it too easy, im not saying get rid of it completely but rather have it only be accessible from places like Inns and settlements/towns.

So like what a few people have said before me I dont want Skyrim to be Oblivion, or Morrowind but rather a mix of the two. Taking the good features from each and combining them. If that happens then this will be the best RPG I have ever played....don't let me down Beth