Yeah that's how it starts. One minute he's just removing a major obsticle for the Legion, it sets a precident that makes justifying later use easier; either do or don't, you can't sit on the fence with regards to the deployment of nuclear weapons.

Ok, NCR wins the war. 1000 years later the world returns to semi old world. Scientests discover on how to manufacture Nukes. Re-do.

Legion wins the war. Nobody discovers nukes, nobody needs to use them and 1000 years later the world is prospering.

Legion are walking Sierra madre's

I was making A scenario. If the NCR survived 1000 years and then the Legion survived 1000 years who would be most likely to [censored] future generations over?

I honestly don't think that I, an 18 year-old trainee electrician, have anywhere near the wisdom required to speculate on a potential 1000 years of history based on the few decades of existance of each of the factions in question.

Dude, it's common sense.

Dude, it's common sense.

Dont you desert rangers work with NCR?

No it's not. Your asking me to compare an Imperialist Democracy and a band of Luddite Slaves over the course of 1000 years; okay, where do you think that the Legion will be in 3281?

You sound like you don't understand the question.

IF the NCR survived for 1000 years, they would be more likely to have discovered how to use Nucelar weapons and therefore blow themselves up, again.

The Legion on the other hand, if they managed to survive for 1000 years, they wouldn't blow us all up.

The Legion on the other hand, if they managed to survive for 1000 years, they wouldn't blow us all up.

Assuming the Legion can keep control of itself.

Besides isn't part of the argument for you Legion supporters that the Legion doesn't hate technology?

In any case, factions change as does their goals and ideas, the Legion is no different. You can't stop the march of progress. Eventually, they will become technological.

The Legion on the other hand, if they managed to survive for 1000 years, they wouldn't blow us all up.

I'm honestly starting to question the whole point about arguing to you guys who seem pretty set in your ways.

Well, what can I say, no-ones making you.

You can't prevent me from voicing my opinion though.

I just see the Legion as the best option, does it have it's faults HELL YES. It's still in my opinion the best choice out of them all.

Great. Can't expect me to buy into that though.

Please, give me your reasons to support the Enclave.

These are the main reasons I support the Enclave:

1. Whats in a name? Personally their title "The Enclave" brilliantly sums up something I love about them. The fact that they are indeed an enclave, in the definition of the word, which means that they are a isolated group in the midst of a "whole lotta other crap" (that’s the technical term for the wasteland btw). The fact that they are isolationist is one thing that drew me to them. Their strategy, in my view, is amazing. They sit back and work on building their strength while waiting for the opportune moment to strike when everyone else is fighting and weakening each other. Brilliant.

2. Technology and Military Power: They are without a doubt the most advanced faction in the game universe. Their ability to develop and create new weapons, defenses, robots, and even the only aircraft in the world (the Verti-birds) makes me feel like I'm supporting a faction that knows what its doing in terms of actually being able to rebuild the ruined wastes. While others sit in squalor and twiddle their thumbs like morons (looking at you BoS), the Enclave has tech that they could never even come close to matching.

Their military strength is also something that is a sight to behold. As I said before, they are the only faction with the ability to have air-superiority and advanced logistics and mobility. Let’s face it, had Lyon's or the Chosen one not been aided by bad writing, there is no real way that either of them would have succeeded in defeating the Enclave. (orbital strike targeting the citadel). Their advanced technology also factors into their strength as a military. They are the sole (I would guess besides any pre-war ones) source of plasma rifles and plasma based weaponry in the wasteland. Maybe not necessarily in the west (plasma in Fallout 1), but the East for certain. They are able to arm even the lowest ranked of their soldiers with a least a laser rifle and Advanced Power Armor and their strongest with Hellfire armor and an incinerator. Not even the high and mighty Brotherhood that everyone seems to like so much can match this, not even by a long shot. I also don't see their "lack of numbers" as a weakness. Indeed in some ways I see it as a strength.

3. Stars and Stipe’s Forever: They are without a doubt the United States of America. The Enclave of the United States of America is not just a fancy title you know. I like how the Enclave are also related to COG (Continuity of Government) plans and how they retain control over pre-war bases and bunkers (Raven Rock and Adams AFB for example).

4. Destroy, Rebuild, and Renew: Contrary to what a lot of people seem to think. The Enclave aren't in the business of genocide for the fun of it. They are restoring the old world by removing what they see as a grave threat to the future of the human race, mutants.

So they wish to return the world to an age that nearly destroyed the world?

So they wish to return the world to an age that nearly destroyed the world?