Nevermind, your completely reading it wrong. I was talking about the average leveling speed of Oblivion, not Skyrim. I put the average leveling speed against what Skyrim's might be. Once again, the whole argument of Skyrim's leveling speed against Oblivion's average speed was only to talk about the opinion that it might be slower than Oblivion's and Morrowind's in actuality, it was NEVER stated as fact. How did it blend in with the facts I stated. The fact I stated was, Skyrim's leveling will not be faster than Oblivion's in actuality. That's the only fact I ever stated as a fact and that fact was backed up by Todd himself. Can someone really not state and opinion, which was clearly outlined as an opinion by words like "chance" and "possibly" without being called a liar? I mean seriously, people can't put opinions out there without saying "Your not a dev, shut up". *Sigh*, I'm getting off for the forums for a few hours before the main point of my post gets misinterpreted grossly again and I get shouted down. Just going to walk away now before I get into a flame war and get banned because people aren't reading it right.

Once again, the whole argument of Skyrim's leveling speed against Oblivion's average speed was only to talk about the opinion that it might be slower than Oblivion's and Morrowind's in actuality, it was NEVER stated as fact.

How did it blend in with the facts I stated. The fact I stated was, Skyrim's leveling will not be faster than Oblivion's in actuality. That's the only fact I ever stated as a fact and that fact was backed up by Todd himself

All those people saying they hit 25 in Oblivion in under 10 hours were either power-levelling or using some way to exploit the system, there's no way the average first-time player is going to progress that fast.

But OB went to fast. They might as well make it a level 1-25 game and give you two perks a level. It would be pretty much the same.

As any given skill in Skyrim increases, it contributes to your
overall level growth. The higher the skill, the more it contributes
to leveling. “Raising one skill from 34 to 35 is going to level you
faster than raising one from 11 to 12,” Howard says. Thus, specialization
in a few key skills is advisable, but not required. The
more skills you choose to advance, the more you delay your progression
to high levels.
Those ever-ascending levels will be highly desired. Each level
comes with an automatic boost in health, and then a choice
to further advance your health, or to improve either magicka or
stamina, the other two primary in-game resources. In a nod to
Bethesda’s other role-playing universe, Fallout, each level also
brings the choice of a perk, one of dozens of special power-ups
tied to the 18 skills. These perks may increase the damage of
your dagger during stealth attacks, or allow your mace to ignore
enemy armor. Each choice further delineates your hero from every
other player’s choices.
Leveling is stretched across a wider field, affording more
choices for players to shape their character over time. “Oblivion
and Fallout were more like leveling from one to 25. This is one
to 50,” Howard shares. “But it’s still a similar playtime. So you
level up faster in the beginning. Part of the reason for that was,
number one, it’s more fun, and number two, with the way we’re
handling perks, there’s a lot of them, and it’s really the way to
define your character. It’s the way to get power. So you want
more of them early on.” Even after level 50, players will be able
to continue gaining new levels, but the process will dramatically
slow. “We want to support archetypes. There are the combat
guys, the magic guys, the stealth guys. But most people play
some mix of that. And we just want to make that organic,”
Howard concludes.

The GI article didn't make it sound too fast.



Sounds like the player has a lot more control than in Oblivion.

I am not saying you don't have your right to your opinion. but you keep on stating it as fact, yes I see that you say in one sentence that its just your opinion but you literally say in the next that this, that, and whatever is fact.




it wasn't my intention with the dev thing to tell you to shut up, but more or less that you should stop using the words actuall and fact in the same sentence when you propose your theories.


I disagree is all, I am not flaming and neither are you, its a discussion. I don't know that leveling in the end will be faster, todd said that it would and that worries me and other people on the forum.

but if I have made you feel unwelcom on these forums I am sorry and I will not bring this up again, my intention was only to debate, not to flame.

5-7 hours

somebody must've picked quick majors. I usually take 24 hours plus just to get to level 20 and my current file is at 26 hours and I'm only at level 15.

I ususally take 1 hour to get one level up (avg) when I am playing normally (allittle quicker in the first 2-3 levels)

Edit: I thought OB speed was good, so thats why I am kinda opposed to speeding it up.

...and how exactly did you raise 20 skill levels in a single dungeon?

A game isn't just about the leveling process. In some games, the levelig is actually just the first half, if even that, of the gameplay. The rest is the endgame content. I'm pretty sure that Skyrim will focus heavily on leveling, but I'm also confident that Skyrim will be a massive improvement from Oblivion, partially due to the fact that their staff is now 3-4 times bigger.

Also, if you try hard enough to level up, of course it happens fast. It's like level grinding in WoW. But the general idea is not to make a plan of leveling up, that'll just risk ruining your overall game experience.

So for an average gamer, even though leveling from 1-50 is roughly the same as leveling 1-25 in Oblivion, it's not going to happen overnight. Most players get to 25 in Oblivion after playing for maybe 2-4 weeks. Because they don't play several hours each day with a clearly defined leveling plan.

He could've had 3 or 4 majors that were specialized.

True, I still find it fairly implausible though

True, I still find it fairly implausible though

I think (if we are looking at the same post) the person posted that they came out of the dungeon 2 levels higher, not 20. but even 2 is not very likely either, unless the dungeon had a bed and was very large.

In many of the soruces on Skyrim they say that in this game you level up faster compared to OB. Their reasoning is that they want you to get perks at a decent rate. I get that, but the probelm is in OB you leveled up really fast. I once went into a dungeon in OB when I was level 20 and came of of the dungeon with two level ups, and I wasn't using any grinding and didn't have any easy to level major skills like athletics and acrobatics. To top it all off the dungeon was just a normal dungeon. OB was supposed to be a level 1-25 game, but you can get to level 25 in only 5-7 hours of gameplay. Maybe they can make the first couple levels faster, but levels 40-50 should actually take some time to do.

The last time that I played a character with vanilla leveling and a most-used-skills as majors build, he leveled up three times during his first visit to Skingrad, and twice while going through the same dungeon.