Do you support Roggvir?

Post » Tue Dec 24, 2013 6:56 am

Well, he might have suggested in passing that Roggvir might want to come along.

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gemma king
 
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Post » Tue Dec 24, 2013 3:35 am

Says who? And the authorities are to blame for not saying, it happened in the frikkin palace.

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Post » Tue Dec 24, 2013 8:48 am

I'm sure Roggvir can make his own decisions, but doesn't the fact that he stayed suggest that others were ok with what he did at the time? Probably because no one tried stopping Ulfric? Hmm?

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Post » Tue Dec 24, 2013 7:59 am

At last sighting Roggvir's own decisions had his head rolling in a basket, so a little advice may have been welcomed.

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Post » Tue Dec 24, 2013 4:49 pm

So I'm not sure what you are disputing here.

Are you saying the Jarl of Windhelm is in the chain of command for a Solitude gate guard?

Or that in the event of a significant event like the sudden death of the king a gate guard wouldn't have a standing order something like 'keep the gate closed'?

Or that gate guard duty is assigned with the understanding that personnel assigned to such lofty positions require no standing orders and can expect to just make their own decisions under whatever circumstances may arise?

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Post » Tue Dec 24, 2013 5:46 pm

The empire has always been hypocritical and self serving. Rogvir wasn't used to Imperial policy because Nords tend to not be politically conniving. When the Imperials arrived, they needed someone to blame; someone with which to make a strong example. So they picked Roggvir.

I don't see why people like them so much. It's like liking Joffrey Baratheon or something.

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Post » Tue Dec 24, 2013 7:48 am

Imperial pig!

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Post » Tue Dec 24, 2013 3:52 am

Say what!
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Post » Tue Dec 24, 2013 12:39 pm

People should try reading your signature Michael!
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Charlotte Henderson
 
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Post » Tue Dec 24, 2013 1:07 pm

Roggvir deserved his fate. Good riddance.

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Post » Tue Dec 24, 2013 4:34 am

He also prevented them from doing what they did in Markarth, which is to scapegoat their enemies while rewarding their friends who were just as "guilty."

So yeah, standing around while the imperials decide if they're going to execute him... not going to happen. Roggvir probably should have seen the writing on the wall and left, too, but then people would say he'd abandoned his duty entirely.

In Tamriel you don't get executed for "dereliction." The only offenses that merit execution are high treason and smuggling. So apparently Roggvir gets the chop for high treason. I think any fair evaluation of the matter would say that that is extreme. But then again, Helgen shows the imperials aren't being picky who they execute- it's anyone with, near, or who looks sideways at Ulfric Stormcloak. If you might be a Talos worshipper or someone accuses you of it, they just let the Thalmor do it for them.
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Post » Tue Dec 24, 2013 7:46 am

How convenient that you ignore this:

....uh, how was I unclear? I'm saying you don't know city protocol, and Elisif's court, and Elisif herself should have said to arrest him. It's their own damn fault if they don't tell the guards at their disposal that he should be arrested if they wanted him arrested.

And how are the guards at the gate supposed to know the king is dead if Elisif never gave the order to arrest him or say something?

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