I expect we will be kept abriast of happenings in D.C. in Fallout 4, but I don't expect or want the next game to be set in D.C. again. I'd love a game featured around The Pitt, New York or the Commonwealth, and those locations would certainly allow Bethesda to expound a bit upon what occurred post-Broken Steel in the Capital Wasteland.

Did you really just say that?
I mean, really? You really just said that.

I think you overestimate the value of the DC Brotherhood (the true Outcasts), and vastly underestimate what we have already been shown is the reaction to attempts at massive change from within of the West Coast Brotherhood. Take a good long look at what happens to Veronica for attempting to force a change from within, and they were willing to do that to someone they considered part of their "family", let alone what they would do to an outsider from a group already considered to be traitors to the original Codex. The two factions meeting up will not end well.

I honestly don't see Maxson going back west, the Brotherhood has far more of a future on the East Coast than it does on the West; they're facing down a large and powerful organized government in the West while in the East they are the large and powerful organized government.

The Brotherhood's future lies in the East; the western BoS is going to die out violently or fade into obscurity.

I agree, but i hope Maxson grows up enough to talk some sense into anyone left out there, if there is anyone left out there to talk to, like Broken Hills for Example, i do not see that falling too easily.

well thats true, but they still did a good job with it and FO3 was a smash hit. if they didn't buy the rights to fallout, there probably would be no fallout games at all, and they did get obsidian on board also, so the original fallout fans should be happy. at least besthesda was cool enough to make a move to make the original fallout fans happy.

and we are happy, and we hope that Bethesda will see all the cool stuff in FNV that made us happy and incorporate it into Fallout 4, i have faith that they will learn from NV and Fallout 4 will have the good stuff from Fallout 3 and NV, and none of the bad stuff.

Good lord, no. I want Fallout 4 to have as little to do with Fallout 3 as humanly possible.

Wrong.

Bethesda were merely the highest bidder. Other companies were vying for the license as well. Bethesda weren't the saviors of the francise.

Others may have made a better Fallout 3 (Or a worse one)

That's not how it works. Bethesda didn't buy the rights to Fallout to make a Bethesda game, they bought the rights to make a Fallout game. And Fallout games have lots of different ending sliders depending on your choices in the game, and then the game end.

If Bethesda sold the right to The Elder Scrolls to Nintendo, as someone mentioned, and they made The Elder Scrolls in their style like, I dunno, a platform game? With Wii controls? With cartoonish graphics? The Nintendo fans might love it, just like how TES fans loved the new Fallout, but the older TES fans might hate it, just like the older Fallout fans hated the new Fallout.

Completely untrue. When Bethesda bought the Fallout license from Interplay another company called Troika was interested in obtaining it as well. Troika was a company founded by Fallout's creators and key designers (Tim Cain, Leonard Boyarsky and Jason Anderson). Thanks to Bethesda they not only didn't get a chance to make another Fallout game but collapsed as a company since no one wanted to publish the generic post apocalyptic RPG they were then forced to make. In fact Leonard Boyarsky actually approached Bethesda for the chance to work on Fallout 3 but was turned down.

So no it wasn't "cool" on Bethesda's part to cut out Fallout's original creators from the franchise they made just to make a game that draws far more from Oblivion than any Fallout game.

This might be offtopic but I've heard this argument: "Well when I buy games from Bethesda I expect a Bethesda game."
And I think what people really mean is: "Well when I buy games from Bethesda I expect an Elder Scrolls title/Oblivion clone no matter what franchise it is from."
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While this is an extreme example it is exactly what happened to Fallout.
*sigh*

What's wrong with that? It may work for other games, I just don't see it being good for Fallout. If the next game was set in the exact same space as Fallout 3 or New Vegas, would you be happy about it? Even if the game was changed due to passage of time, we would know where everything is, and for a game of this nature (even for the old games), I don't see it as being good. Returning to a location like Megaton, Rivet City, etc through a map node system is fine, not the entire Capitol Wasteland as the sole location of a game.

I think he was refering to FO2 having parts of FO1

Yeah, but I said that the entire space of a game taking place in the space of previous game would not be very good. I even advocated visiting old locations as long as the entire game isn't set there.

I think he was refering to the fact that basicly NV, FO2, and FO are in the same general area of Nevada/California/Oregon, while we had only FO3 in DC and Tactics in the Midwest. So in short, disregarding my previous post for now, we need it somewhere else, as THREE games are enough in one area, let alone one game in a certain are is enough.

But having a game in the same place in Fallout 3 wont give us a new area? I dont understand, nobody was objecting to a Fallout on the east coast, just not in the Capital Wastes.

Ok, getting back to my post, While i would love to see more of what would happen in the Capital Wasteland, i know it will not happen. So I will hope for someplace on the East Coast and Clues as that things were not screwed up in Canon history when FO4 is released.

I think some references to the Capital Wastes are a given if it's on the East Coast. We'll probably see Dr. Li, perhaps a couple others from Fallout 3 to talk about it. I see Fawkes (or Uncle Leo) making a return because he seems to be a fan-favorite, though I am not his number 1 fan.

DC was two Fallouts ago. I don't think there should be any more games set where FO 1 was in, much less 3.

2 fallouts ago? lets see no icount 1 fallout ago :brokencomputer:

I dont get the arguing and bickering about original fallout fans vs. post fallout 3 fans. I dont get it because there is literary nothing one side can do to change the others mind, despite what they will say. Original fans wont like any fallout game that bethesda makes, even if its a perfect game made in the exact styles of the two original games, simply because its bethesda making it, period. I understand that many of the original fans hate fallout 3 because 'bethesda messed it up and its nothing like the classics", agreed, but does that make fallout 3 a [censored] game? simply because its made from a different point of view then the originals?

I understand the feelings of a beloved franchised getting destroyed by new designers(I was a metal gear solid fan), but the dispure of this argument is about preference in style, not that either side is wrong. There were alot of good things about the originals, there are alot of good things about FO3, as well as new vegas, but just because one game came first doesnt give it the right to be called the best, its just opinion. I played fallout 3 first, then new vegas, then fallout 1, then fallout 2 and I have to say Fallout 3 is still my favorite. That doesnt mean that the other games are crap, because they arent, but for me and what I like in a gamem FO3 blew me away. FO1 and FO2 were really good games, but they didnt captivate me the same. Maybe if I had played them first things would be different, but I didnt. apples and oranges, they are all great games, but everyone has a preference and its usually based on nostalgia.

With that being said, I hope FO4 goes to: Boston(Commonwealth), New York or Chicago(Can you imagine mafia type families in Chicago or NYC?) priceless

P.S. I would also like to see another Fallout obsidian game

I would LOVE a Bethesda Fallout game these are in their game:

1. There are realistic Towns and Factions.

2. There is not combat at every single [censored] street corner. I want some peace and quiet.

3. NO BOS OR ENCLAVE! This is a must.

4. No God character.

5. Traits.

6. Every single improvement that Obsidian made in FNV.

7. Humanity is rebuilding.

Please no god character

That game is already out! Here's the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPnK9JHoddc