Alkonium said that a new Empire would rise and replace the Mede Empire. I agreed with him and used examples to back up my points. At no point did either of us say that the new Empire would occupy all of Tamriel. I just agreed that after the fall of the current empire, another would eventually take its place as a major power.

Not only that, but also Morrowind (weirdest place in video game fiction) and the made up words in the lore.

I just don't see it. The Empire isn't loved in the Providences in any way that someone from Hammerfell of Skyrim is going to pine for the days of Tiber Septim. In Morrowind or Alinor, the Empire is outright hated. I think for the empire to be revived, it would have to be wanted, and it's obvious that even in Skyrim, no one really wants the Empire. If America fell tommarow, it would be revived as we generally like the idea of being American, and are loyal to the federal government. That wasn't the case in the British Empire or the Soviet Union, in which more people were loyal to their local governments and saw themselves as members of states, not as Brits or Soviets. In the USSR, you would consider yourself Russian or Ukranian or Azerbani, not Soviet. In Britainia, you'd consider yourself Indian, or Bangladeshi, or Irish or something like that, NOT British. It wasn't a national identity, so most outside of the capital region weren't loyal enough to the idea of the empire to want to bring it back. Rome was a cultural identity, as is America today -- that's why people wanted it back. So considering that most people in the providences have no loyalty to even the idea of the empire, I don't see enough push for these newly independent republics to subsume their identity into being a mere state in a larger empire. It would be as realistic as suggesting that India is going to petition to be a state of Great Britain. It isn't likely.

If the current empire falls than the mer will create a new one. There will always be a dominating kingdom or faction on Tamriel.

But I'm not talking about the Mede Empire, I'm talking about how another Empire will come to replace it. You've missed the point of what I was saying. And your wrong about the British Empire, all of the countries which were orignally part of the Empire (including Britain) are all part of the Commonwealth of Nations and accept Queen Elizabeth II as the head of the commonwealth. They all recognise that they were all linked through the British empire, and don't recognise each other as 'foreign' which gives some idea of a shared identity. All of these nations wanted to be independently goverened, and Britain respected their wishes and gave up its provinces. So having a shared identity has nothing to do with the longveity of an Empire. Besides, people didn't want Rome back, meglomaniacs like Justinian and Mussolini tried to create a new Roman Empire, but that is not wanting it back.

No way. There hasn't been one single game in all TES without the empire, right?! Not that that in itself guarantees that it will stick around, but I think it's unlikely they'll kill it off. I think the stage is being set for a big showdown between the Aldmerii Dominion and the Empire for TES VI.

That said, even though I love the Empire too I think it might actually be fun to have the next game be set in a future where it has fallen. Post Imperial Cyrodil would go back to being a patchwork of feuding kingdoms, which would be intersting as it would have some of the same political intrigue that Morrowind had with all the different factions. Then, maybe the player could be playing to be the next emperor....I sort of feel like the Dovakhin's progeny are going to be the ones ending up on the throne in the future.

Well the rumored TES mmo takes place before the empire so I think it's a test if they prefer no empire but warring clans. And as the Devine Crusader I demand Justice! the Thalmore dare claim Talos(the only thing that allowed me to survive Umarill) not a god!

I don't think so. I have a feeling that in a DLC expansion the Dovakiin will sort of follow in Tiber Septim's footsteps. Being Dragonborn, and thus presumably being related to the extinct Septim bloodline, I think the player will have to go into Cyrodiil and restore the glory of the Empire, just as Tiber Septim was told by the greybeards that he would have to 'go south' to rule.

Kill off? Maybe.

Replace? Yes.


As the avatar of Talos (Tiber Septium) said in Morrowind:

Based on what we see from the official lore (in game books), they acknowledge the main quest being done but not the faction questlines. Based on that, the Empire will probably be Cyrodiil, High Rock and the roughly two thirds of Skyrim that the Empire holds (at the start of TES V Skyrim) They would either have to pick which hold was traded for which hold from "Season Unending" in the Main Quest or leave it as it stood.

Well, I mean I know the Commonwealths recognize the Queen, but it's not really the same as an Emperor -- when an Emperor decides it's LAW, the queen more or less gives moral support. They have some heritage, but it's not a cohesive nation, it's sort of a collection of nations that recognize a leader who does very little actual ruling.

But I was understanding the "revive the empire" to mean some form of national human government. It doesn't seem likely that this is nearly as likely as in Europe of 500AD. The picture doesn't work.

Oh god.. glargg just had to go and lure those science-fantasy sci-fi metaphysical crazies into the Series Discussion forum.

There's usually a barb on the hook.

Yes because the second era TOTALLY didn't have an empire

anyway, no the empire is going to be around for a long time, especially since those Thalmor idiots are around and need to be taken down a peg.

Well the second era may have not one but two empires but I think he meant the time after the fall of the Reman empire and before the Rise of Tiber Septim.

I'd say no, but I think they'll scale it back quite a bit!

Well they alrdy killed off the septim empire and the mede empire is crumbling under its own mistakes .

Im of the belief that there will always be an empire but I really hope that the dragonborn can follow in Tiber footsteps and reclaim and reshape the current.
Burn it to the ground and rebuild it.

Hard to say, but I wouldn't say it can't happen.

I believe the common era did have a cyrodiilic empire that ruled a great deal of Tamriel >_> at least thats pretty much what the lore states, its just an expansion of the second empire, the second empire ended when the Emperor Potentate Savirien-Chorak was assassinated by the Morag tong along with all his heirs. Also this discussion isn't about an empire its about the Cyrodiilic empire that everyone knows and loves.

Bethesda better get rid of the Empire. I'm sick of Cyrodiilics and their pompous asses.

I would prefer the tolerate Imperials over the genocidal thalmor and dominion.

I think that Bethesda made a mistake early on when they named the race of men we would come to know as Cyrodiil "Imperials", implying that global domination is something intrinsic to them. Is it necessary that the province of Cyrodiil control the whole continent? Obviously, they are and have been failing on this front. Is it not possible that Cyrod could exist as a self-contained province, leaving the others to govern themselves? What ramifications does this scenario have on the Empire Actual/Empire Spiritual distinction?

I want a Mount and Blade: Warband like version of TES 6 with the following joinable super factions:

The Empire - Cyrodiil and Parts of Hammerfell
The Skyrim Confederacy (If Ulfric won) -- Skyrim and parts of High Rock and Hammerfell.
The Almeri Dominion - Summerset Isle, Eastern Hammerfell, High Rock and Valenwood.
The Eastern Alliance- Elweyr, Black Marsh, Morrowind.


The prophecy, cause there always is one: The hero would bring peace through the faction of his choosing.

Two competing empires (Mede Dynasty and Aldmeri Dominon) are more interesting than one.

Elsewyr is under the control of the Dominion, hence why Khajiit are fleeing from fear of being purged


Dominion won't last long, their time is short, Bethesda is just using them for fuel for a possible game or dlcs