What don't you remember they did make an anti-mutagen cure. Or didn't you ever test it out for that nice doctor in FO2?

XD

sadly, i havent played it
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Well it was a great success! It destroyed all the the mutant DNA! Unfortunately the test subject had very little human DNA left and ended up a puddle of goo!

We try to tell you how fine and dandy it is with the same level as you tell us how it is not.
The discussion I wanted you not to start is the "Enclave = Nazi" crap which appears in these threads quite often. Enclave and Hitler are not only not linked by any degree but also political discussion is not allowed in these forums.

I only used the word Nazi once and I wont use it anymore but you have to admit the parallels of the two.

Nazis didn't invent genocide and their genocide was purely ethnic and targeted against certain groups of people, while Enclave is conducting omnicide with airborne chemicals and occasionally flame.
Fallout 3's Enclave may have been roughly inspired by Nazism, but the ideologies are most certainly not connected. Originally, however, the Enclave was more similar to ultra-conservatives, superamerican patriots rather than the militaristic clique they are in FO3. The FEV has always been just a plot device to justify their killing.

But yes, enough of this.

This.

I've been hearing this a lot, and I hope its true. I don't want the Enclave or BoS in New Vegas, I'm sick of these discussions.

They are extremist, but I still think that they are neutral, actually more chaotic neutral. They seem to be based on alot of post apocalypse US government stuff from other books. Essentially killing things to maintain order.

The motives? Yes. The means? not so much. Though to parrot it; Autumn was completely against the use of modified FEV and instead wanted to use PP as a means to convey the Enclaves awesome power. I ask this though: Can any other main faction in F3 be convinced to blow them and potentially unlimited pre-war knowledge sky high? convinced that their cause is lost and to just walk away? The Enclave may be considered evil but at least they can see reason and just give up. BS destroys this though and partially introduces us to "Enclave high command" < Future plot device? I think so..

I would have to say no.

Autumn though wanted to use PP as a way to control the wasteland, and they probably would of sold the water. Just wish Autumn and the Enclave weren't so crazy >.>

Agreed. BS completely ruined the best ending for the Enclave, the one where you convince both Eden and Autumn to give up and see reason. It made them multidimensional and added depth to them. They were really concerned about America, and when they realised they would be only doing it harm, they genuinely changed their actions. BS just returned them to being evil, fanatic and hypocritical bigots.

Autumn is actually the only Enclave character in 2277 that really believes in Enclave's holy mission. He does, afterall, constantly refer to the country as United States and talks about the line of presidency, while Eden mentions the United States only once in the radio. And while he talks to you at the purifier, knowing that he has nothing to lose, he does seem like telling what he's really thinking. He wouldn't be the first Enclave person to strongly believe in Enclave's good side. His methods just svck and make him look like a total bad guy.

Yes, it is a mutation. It doesn't make someone inhuman.

Are you saying humanity is the Enclave's enemy. You can't seem to wrap your head around the idea the genocide=bad. Many wastelanders are human. They are harmless, defenseless humans. How can you justify their murder? This has gone beyond an opinion. This is unbelievable. How do you ever justify the homicide of harmless humans? Why do you Enclave justifiers repeat the same, pointless information over and over again? Did you not read my posts.

GENOCIDE=BAD

SLIGHT MUTATIONS DO NOT EQUAL INHUMAN AND/OR DANGEROUS.

Richardson's Enclave was just as bad. Their philosophy is exactly what Eden's is.

Also, Autumn still shoots innocents and still considers anyone who is "impure", dirt. He would never treat a wastelander as his equal, not even close. Eden's Enclave and Richardson's Enclave ARE the Enclave. Autumn doesn't lead the Enclave. He is one person with perhaps only a few soldiers following him. We know that Autumn doesn't like the FEV idea, but only Autumn. Both known leaders of the Enclave supported use of the modified FEV and so most of the Enclave would have as well. The true Enclave has made that their goal. Fallout 2's Enclave was attempting the exact, same thing. Autumn is still part of the Enclave and still follows their philosophy, but only he has been confirmed of disagreeing with this one thing, and of course there will be some who disagree, but Autumn and a couple of his soldiers do not represent the Enclave. He didn't even appear in Fallout 2. Face it, the actual Enclave supports the eradication of the "impure".

I think they are bad with good intentions.
In the words of FalloutFTW, the people who support the Enclave love them because they are the [censored] antagonist.

I'm fine with people who like them because of that, but not every Enclave supporter is like that. Many try to justify the Enclave's actions. Read Andaius's posts on this thread.

Wait, how can you justify the Enclave as good.
They are bad with good intetions, nothing more, nothing less.

Some people try to justify the Enclave's actions. I strongly disagree with them. The Enclave want to kill off all "impure" people, which is their intention. It is an action as well as an intention. However, some people try to justify the Enclave's killing.

The Enclave are an affront and defilement of everything the country they claim to represent once stood for.

There is nothing to argue here. The Enclave is bad and evil; any one seeing it or justifying it any other way is delusional.

The Enclave is the continuation of the American Government and the American Government is evil.
Thats the simple answer.
The Enclave isn't only 'good' they are GREAT for loot!
Armor and weapons worth thousands of caps!
I love those guys!

This ^

They are walking loot machines. I would miss them in my game.