No they engineered it to kill exactly who they wanted to kill. FEV and Radiation born mutations.

Almost everyone has that.

:banghead: Read this please: http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/FEV_Curling-13

Yeah, they and there personal would be quite protected. End result would be the same.

The Enclave's personal would be protected, but many others would die.

yeah they people they wanted to die. See end result is the same. clean slate for them to start over. they could then open up the vaults and start America over again.

So killing all those in the wastes simply for their existence is good? This is the thing I have been arguing about this whole time.

Rileys Rangers... YEAH! lol

To save humanity? I refer you again to that Richardson quote pistolero made.

No, to preserve only the purest humans. Wastelanders are humans. Just because they have slight unnoticeable mutations doesn't make them less than human. Plus, if vault-dwellers leave their vaults, they will be mutated just by being on the face of the earth, unless they only travel outside of the vault in power armor or other suits with air filtration systems.

no no, your missing the big part of the Enclaves views. like I said i nthe other thread since it's beginning to merge it seems. You either Human, thus are protected, or mutant threat and will be eliminated.

Thats the purpose of the GECK's they would actually you know follow there plan and clean up the place before sending everyone willy nilly out everywere.

Or, you could be a human living outside of a vault who only has a slight mutation and you will be killed because of it, such as the people of Arroyo. Any mutation in a human would be fatal.

cheese man, your not getting it! To the enclave your either human, or a mutant enemy. there is no such thing as "slight" or "half" or "part". So when there plan was enacted, the humans would be safe and the threat would be eliminated. Simple, efficient.

Do I think that the Enclave is good? No.

F**kwits, basically. All they talk about is 'rebuilding our great nation' (well, not mine, as I live in Aus, but anyway), doing nothing but stealing technology and then claiming it, killing wastelanders and pissing me off.
I hate them with a passion.

The people of Arroyo are human. This is what you use to back up your claim that the Enclave are good, that they did not consider those they were killing as human, even though they were? The people of Arroyo are human.

they are far from doing that, they are the only one out there that actually product new prewar and make new postwar tech.

What I was referring to was the Purifier. They steal it, claim it as theirs, so they can be the heroes. What would've happened if we didn't stop them? I'm guessing they would've charged the wastelanders to buy it, and with the FEV virus, there would be just about no one left.

Hey, I don't get why so many people dislike BoS. Sure they can be arrogant at times, and maybe it doesn't look like they're going out of their way to help the wastelanders. But think about, they're doing all they can with limited resources.

They're in DC, getting rid of the Muties.
They're the ones selling the purified water for free.
They're the guys who're stopping the Enclave killing innocent wastelanders.
They're the troops who don't kill any wastelanders on sight.
They're the people who actually remotely care.
They're the people who support GNR, to let the REAL word get out.
They're the heroes.

And remember: They're different from the other BoS, out west. Sure, they strayed from their original mission to search for tech, and many people say that this is their downfall, as they are wasting their time on the little things, not thinking about perhaps the long-term future. Well, if they had stuck with their original mission, what state would the wasteland be in? A bad one, for sure. Now they actually do something good out there in the wastes.

EDIT: Oh, and sorry about the big BoS post. A bit off-topic, but I just wanted to say that. Got carried away.

Nope they where mutants. Your never going to be able to see the other sides point of view of you can't get on board with there thinking. You still stuck with your personal point of view. You wanted to know how they could be seen as "good" but refuse to look past your bias. You have to look at it from there side, and understand there motivations and reasoning. Also BTW Do I personally think they're good? No, I wouldn't want to live in there regime. Do I think they're mindless evil for no other sake as to be evil? Nope they are firmly in that grey area just like they should be. Just like the Master, Grey is the tradition in FO one that was broken by gamesas.




That can be largely debated. For the Lone Wanderer did all there leg work. If it wasn't for him they would still be fighting the loosing battle they have been for what was it 20 years? GNR would still be knocked out and so on. Everything in your list would happen because the Enclave would have killed them all. They seized PP for a very specific mission. That ended up being rather retarded thanks to the writing in BS. In my opinion.

See what from their side? They believe that anyone living on the Earth's surface is less than human. The people of Arroyo ARE human. It is true.

But they couldn't do all the things the Wanderer did because they didn't have the resources. Even though that is true, they still fought off Muties, supported PP, Three Dog, and fought in the battle at Adams. I'm not talking about how they're stronger, more powerful and intimidating than the Enclave. I don't care that they would probably be fighting a losing battle without the Lone Wanderer. I'm saying that they're actually GOOD, actually TRYING to do something out there.

I just think that BoS are helping the wastelanders, whereas the Enclave's motives are wrong. I suppose they are trying to do something for the good of America, but they are messed up ethically if they continue to kill innocent wastelanders.

So I believe: The Enclave are actually trying to rebuild America (I will give you that), but they are doing evil things in order to do that.

The Enclaves motive is to save humanity, and restore the American Nation. whats wrong with that? Everything in BS wouldn't have happened with out the LW. The Enclave are DOing something. they are also going about it in a smarter way than the BoS. If there plan worked they would have killed all mutants everywhere with out firing a shot pretty much.

@seti see, your not thinking again, they clearly DON'T want to kill everyone on the planet. they are killing all non human threats to make way for the "real" humans to rebuild with out fear.

Haha, as long as they aren't salughtering the majority of the wasteland, nothing at all.
But the problem is that they are slaughtering the majority of the wasteland. And therefore are certainly not good.
Oh, and as for the Enclave DOing something, well of course they are. But what I'm trying to say is that they are DOing the WRONG thing. Sure, I believe they also go about their business smarter than BoS, and they would've killed all the Muties, but I'll repeat myself. I don't care that they are more powerful and smarter, they are still doing the wrong thing. And as I've said, therefore they are not good.
Again, they DO go about their business smarter than BoS, but their business is BAD. That is what I am trying to say.

Small price to pay for saving the human race isn't it? Some evil mutants are destroyed humans are safe again!

Small price to pay? What, killing basically all the wastelanders is a small price to pay?
Fifty bucks that you wouldn't be saying that if they decided to kill 3/4 of Australia in order to save the pure 1/4 (which is obviously generous to say, as realistically it is about 1/10), if you were apart of the 3/4. Same principle.

:facepalm: Someone, please point out how the genocide of humans is bad. Also please make it clear that these people dying are slightly mutated humans, only very slightly, that are also dying. They are human. They would be you after living in the wastes for less than a year. the air they breath causes very slight mutations. Humans in the modern world can get similar mutations easily.