So, Dwemer are not worshiping any deities as I unerstood. But they are in a world where the gods walk between mortals. The only way I see this making any sense is that they consider the daedra (and aedra) as powerfull beings from a higher plane but that's no reason for them to worship them.

Do you think they could have got it right? Are there any indications in the lore regarding if this may be the case?

The Dwemer....saw things from a different perspective.

From the lore, (I suppose this is a cop out make it easier for the lore writers) the Dwemer understood the world in a way that cannot be explained......and some say that the reason they all disappeared is that they pushed themselves backwards through time.



I suppose, unlike the other races, they saw the gods through logic and maths....and therefore did not bow to petty worship, instead they aimed to understand why the gods were and then later, how they could become gods themselves.

Behind "a way that cannot be explained" it would be the fact they actually considered themselves opposing Gods (wishes) or just fighting powerfull beings with which pretend to be worshiped as gods...is there a lore indication in which of those situations they were?

Dwarves obviously knew the gods existed, they knew their roles and made the choice not to worship the gods but instead worship logic and reasoning. They just wished to become gods as well or at least transcend mortality. The Numidian was their way to do this, and now they're all gone. Except for Yagrum of course.

For the most part, yes. I've never seen any solid reason why mortals should worship any of the gods. But the Dwemer did not know love, and that was their only shortcoming.

Unfortunately, we don't even know if they got it truly right. For all we know, they could of very well died in the process of being grafted to Numidium. At least they weren't dikes going about it and trying to drag everyone else down with them.

Their race became a god, clearly they were right about a lot of things.

Weapon. Numidium to the extent of my knowledge is not completely self aware.

Numidium is a god? I thought it was a Tower.

It's not really clear whether those categories are mutually exclusive.

Anyways, Deep-folk got enough right to make a pretty big impact. They weren't flat-earth Atheists, they just viewed the Aedra and Daedra as pervertible forces of nature rather than infallible gods ever beyond the ken and yoke of mortal effort.

i think vehk says they "scoffed" the daedra worship of the dunmer, so i'd say they didn't think that highly of them (the daedra at least) i think they understood the metaphisics of the world they lived in, knew their goal (being un made) and achieved it, or failed and became nothing more than the golden skin of walk brass...which is still cool i guess

They tried to wipe themselves from the then current timeline in order to head back to start of all. They used the heart of a god to basically make their own Megatron God, and give that Megatron Brass tower life, and then use that Megatron Brass to become a god by grafting themselves to it's skin, or become it's golden skin.

That failed. Only Yargum was left, as far as we know. Vivec said he couldn't sense them on any planes, Yargum said he couldn't find them in any plane's, even the outer ones.
Normally I don't trust a False-god who killed murder's his friend and can't even float properly, but I will take the Yargum's word for it. Vivec had a limited feeling of sense for the planes with his power wanning. He still had an amazing sense though. Yargum was able to go and see these planes.
A False god with impressive and the last Dwarf could not find to any trace of the Dwarves.

Either the Dwemer no longer exists, but as they still have ghosts in some of the ruin's, I feel like that they might have been booted to some other plane. They tried to scorn the god's with Logic and reason. That don't fly with the god's. Perhaps why they are now gone.

They tried to make their own Megatron God, and then become god's using that Megatron Brass God.

In turn, I don't think they are right, using the Megatron Brass Tower to become God's.

This, and that even the natural laws of Mundus can bend when applied with enough force and rejection.

But it should really be stressed that they're not flat earth atheists. They knew the gods existed and no, they didn't worship reason and logic (that'd Julianos worship for ya), but they wished to transend far beyond the gods, to become one themselves and go back to the first stroke of Anu and Padomay, something not even the most altmer ever consider. They were extremely high level metaphysicists, who knew how to create their own loopholes, divide by zero, and had a thing for music.

Their short comings were that they did not know love, and the absorbicide to become the Numidium was a bit of a rush job.

Have fun convincing Vekh of that

Can't that involving gods be the just outsiders view? In fact they were just trying to become as powerful as those daedra but still not considering them gods in any way.
Can't help myself not to think of SG1 and those TES gods as the Ori for example, by their properties many can consider them gods by definition. We know they can be summoned on Mundus but the creation myth can just be a legend (even cultivated by them). Any other ascended mortal, like Vivec, could have reached that state by chance often with the implication of some artifacts coming from those beings and they don't see the big picture reaching that position in a arbitrary way and all that they could think based on their knowledge is that they became gods. I compare dwemer with the SG1 team which were awere of their power. Now the Numidium thing would be just like SG1 trying to achieve what Ori achieved.
Is there anything in the lore that makes this comparation invalid?

The Dwemer knew about the creation of the world, their primary artifact for achieving their goal was the heart of Lorkhan, one of the if not the most important factor in the creation of Mundus. They knew the creation myths as it gave them an ability to become a god.

I believe they acknowledged the Gods, and rejected them.

The dwemer didn't just want to be gods, they want to be when the first stroke of Padomay and Anu. To go back to the very first moment of everything, and the Numidium would be that vehicle of transcendance. In essence to be more than just the aedra and daedra.

And as I've said, they knew about them, but didn't see the worth in worshipping them. They wanted to go beyond the laws and forces of nature (the gods). I'm not sure I'm doing a good job convaying what I want to say, but the minor difference is what makes all the difference.

You're trying to say there was no point in worshipping gods if you're aim was to transcend them. Is that right?

I think so. The gods are as much victims/prisoners as the mortals when it comes to the Wheel and the procession of the Kalpas.

They did not worship reason or logic per se, but I'd say they did worship their ability to reason and their grasp of logic.

Yeah.

Not sure about that. Most things only talk about the reversal of the process that transformed the sacred into the profane. They are after all Mer.

Again, I wasn't explaining it that well, and the caffeine had yet to hit.

Said before, will say it again.

They used Numidum, the time breaking Megatrn of the elder scrolls universe.