Do you think the Enclave will return in future Fallout games? I for one hope they do. I am a die hard Enclave lover and always will, and before you say you only like them because they have leet guns and tech. I do not like them because of their tech I like them because of their lore and a lot of other reasons. I think it would be nice if they returned and played a role in the game. The other thing I thought of is, if they did return you could join them and become a member of the Enclave and help them. It would be like the faction system from New Vegas.
What do you guys think? Do you think the Enclave will return and play a major role again, or do you think they will just be minor like in New Vegas.

They may, but no where near the same power level or influence as before. They simply don't have the numbers now. I can see maybe a remote outpost with maybe a dozen or so soldiers left, with no real production capabilities and dwindling supplies.

I suppose its questionable when and where they return.

The Chicago outpost could be as big as Raven's Rock.

Also, I think it'd be cool if they reformed like Lyons and started recruiting Wastelanders.

Its likely that we will indeed see them in some capacity in the future, there was an awful lot of hints given with ED-E and the Chicago outposts.

That said, if we do see them, they cannot be more than a minor faction, survivors struggling to survive basically. Otherwise it just wouldn't make sense.

Best case senario I can see is if they play a role similar to the Mojave Chapter of the BOS in New Vegas, with the relative same amount of numbers.

It depends, I guess, on where the Enclave's civilian populace and manufacturing were. I could easily see it not being at Raven's Rock or Adams.

I doubt that a Raven Rock sized facility would be considered an outpost. Maybe a small FOB (forward operating base), but not a full blown complex. I also don't think they'd start recruiting from the wastes. Not only has their infrastructure been decimated (temporarily at least) and thus do not have the resources to outfit new recruits, doing so would be turning their backs on everything that the Enclave have strived to achieve. If they did start recruiting, they would be Enclave in name alone.

Main population and manufacturing was originally on the Rig, their only other base at that time was at Navarro. The Rig got blown up and they moved to Raven Rock, with their only other base in the area being AAFB. Now both Raven Rock and AAFB are gone.

Its likely now that they've got nothing left but the Chicago Outposts, which certainly can't be larger or the same size as Raven Rock (their capital in Fallout 3) as it would hardly be termed an "outpost". Plus where would they get the soldiers to staff such a place?



My thoughts exactly.

Well Arcade Gannon and the Remnants are all Enclave members. They aren't racists against Wastelanders. I don't think you need to be racist to be part of the Enclave, it's just racism was a big part of what the Enclave's goals were were for a long time.

As for calling Chicago an "outpost" it could be just terminology for the fact that Raven Rock is the Enclave's HQ.

After all, the BOS in the Capital is a outpost but it's probably larger than the main branch of the Brotherhood now.

(Especially if Maxxon's state was destroyed by NCR)



Recruitment, possibly from Vaults if they wanted to keep "blood purity" a concern.

There are 2 ways they could return. Way #1 The ran into the mid west bos on the way to cw. mid west bos never heard of them. Enclave couldn t tell mid west bos was bos, because with the right ending to fo tactics the mid west bos would think a lot like Enclave.

So they chat argue about who is more pure human. They test each other find that they both are pure humans. Some Enclave and mid west bos went to cw and to look for tech and be pure humans together but lost , but some Enclave and most mid west bos stayed in Chicago. Enclave learned of their brothers fate in cw and joined with mid west bos who call them selves something else, because they haven t been bos for a long time. They both share the pure human superiority complex, but mid west bos doesn t want to kill mutated humans they want to use them. They use them to fight, work, shovel [censored]. The remaining Enclave are in no position to make demands and just fall in line. High up in the mid west bos. Fo4 Chicago area

I am hoping the BOS in the Midwest don't control much of anything, personally.

If they destroyed the super computer, they had to have exhausted themselves militarily.

It'd be nice to have a game set there, though.

Help the Enclave defeat them.

:)

Way #2 would take place not on the new engine, but the engine after that. We re talking 4 fallout games away.

They d have to dig out the old reliable " 2077 Enclave retreats to remote sections of the world" line in the fo bible time line.

Make no mistake Avellone put that in there for a reason. He made the time line well after fo2. He would not go against his own game.

In this senerio Enclave have been in remote sections of the world for centuries. They have had many children and are massive. Unknown to the fo world they have been monitoring what has been going on in the U.S. the whole time via pre war spy satellites. It was not their job to take the U.S. back. Their job was to stabilize the remote sections of the world they were in first. They have a lot of men, booming industry, and have finally figured its time to take the U.S. back in force. Their plan will be a two prong crushing attack. Simultaneous east and west coast. You will have to play a 2 characters on both coasts.

No if they put the one guys brain in the calculator they will be all about pure humans. A very evilish bos, not really bos at all. Enclave in their weakened state would buy into the calculator s plan. Help the mid west bos use mutated humans to rule expand. Those two united with one goal would hard and mean. A real theat....... No cream puffs like cl, but hard, teched up, superior tactics and training. Plus an even larger army of mutated humans to serve as a meat shield.

I hope we never see them again. If they're used as the villains again theres a real danger they'll become the villain of Fallout. Which would be stupid.

Nah, no reason to have the Enclave be villains this time around. Besides, they'd never ally with the BOS due to their role in hunting down the Enclave survivors and destroying the Capital Wasteland Enclave.

It'd be a nice reversal.

Chances are we will see them again as remnants at an outpost in Chicago that have little to no role in any future game. (I hope)

If people were true fans of the Enclave they would let them die with dignity insted of having them as Fallout's punching bag. The perennial enemy that always comes back only to be destroyed.

They wouldn t even know of each other. The calculator will talk the remaining Enclave into it. There is still Enclave in Chicago, and if they turn good or change their ways now that would be really [censored]. The is a fo tactics ending that leaves mid west bos a mini Enclave.

Midwestern Brotherhood arn't pure human. Still I can see Enclave remnants on their way to DC making a deal with a like minded group for supplies. Couple of reasons why.

1) The Enclave moving to DC don't have a president. They yet to meet Eden. Not really clear if they knew about Eden before they got to DC.

2 ) Their leader is a military man, Augusts Sir. Coming across a well organised military group with combat Robots, Power Armour and advanced/heavy weapons, would force the Enclave to talk insted of kill. A small group against a large powerful group. Fighting is not really an option. Enclave don't seem to want to fight even when they hold all the advantages.

3) Making a deal would not be so bad. Enclave leave some people behind to man the outpost. Relay station.

4) Enclave get their butts handed to them yet again. They have no power base, no president and no one really can be. They don't have a pot to piss in so to speak. They return to the outpost and have a group meeting. They learn more about Midwestern Brotherhood under Calculator Barnaky. They learn of their war against the Mutant Liberation Army. Barnaky makes them a deal.

"Integrate your remants into my organization. Your leader will be made Elders and given a say. Your scientests will help us upgrade our equipment. Siding with the Midwestern Brotherhood is better then dying slowly in a hole somewhere dreaming of the day when once again you can play the comic book villian only to be destroyed again."

What is left of the Enclave deside "If we can't kill them, might as well control them."

Any other way that brings back the Enclave as a powerful faction would just be stupid.

I thought we went through some of your plans holes, like hole did Autumn Snr make the deal with Eden if he didn't know that he was there? Err... your idea revolves around the people at Navarro telling their superior officers to [censored] off making them deserters, making the relay station unneceassery. Simply put it makes more sense for them to have contacted Eden prior; and arranged Bethesda's non-sensical plot twist in advance.



So? This isn't the return of the Enclave is it, you even say that Enclave Officers get Brotherhood positions such as Elder; this is just the fate of the Enclave.

Even if they did make a deal with Eden before they left Navarro.. What good is that deal if you get butchered like a pig before you even get to DC? Enclave show up in Chicago to make a relay station, only to find themselves completely surround by an army of Brotherhood and Robots. Do you really believe that Agustus Sir would spit in the eye of the Brotherhood leader and say "[censored] off you damn dirty mutie?" I think not.



So? its better then nothing. You and I both know the Enclave can't come back anyways without bending Fallout over the table. Maybe only some take the deal. After all not all the Enclave gave up and tried to join NCR after the Rig. Some of those remnants of DC would very well take a deal to join the Brotherhood while others crawl into a hole and die.

So instead he just becomes their [censored]? "Please don't kill us, we'll give you some of our men as a sacrifice?" Why would he be looking at the Brotherhood Leader? What if it were the armies of peasants in leather armour I've seen you mention?

Also, how does that make them not contacting Eden prior anyless plausable?



Find a Vault. Problem solved and the Enclave is still the Enclave; not sharing titles with people who just destroyed everything they knew for 30 years.

Not bad Styles, but I thought bos western bos was pure human. They had pa and I though the lost hills bunker was serious. Why would they not be pure humans?

They arn't looking for the Brotherhood. They are on their way to Raven Rock. They stop in Chicago to make a relay stayion/outpost to talk with Navarro. An army of Brotherhood find them. They completely surround the Enclave Remnants with large numbers of .50cal Machine guns, http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Humanoid_Robot http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Behemoth_(robot), Elite unites of BoS in Advanced PA and hundreds of well armed BoS in verious other armour.

Now are you telling me Agustus sir would walk up to a brotherhood soldier (that is tying to make a deal for peace) take out is unit and piss on the mans boots? All because he hates mutants that badly? He is so blind he rather have his men wiped out rather then make a deal for peace? Leaving some men behind is not really a sacrifice because he was going to do that anyways.




So you are hoping they would come back as a super power after all? Another 30 years in a hole would just make things worse. Your enemies IE everyone will only keep growing in numbers. I doubt they would have anymore of their modded FEV to try yet another plan to kill everyone off. Their dream is dead!



No Brotherhood is pure human. Only the Enclave (or so they say) the reason is to many generations living in the wasteland. Midwestern Brotherhood would be worse due to breeding with outsiders.

IDK Mr Enclave if they use the Styles fo tactics ending mid west bos is not bos at all. Bethesda needs to shake things up the evilish bos run by the calculator in the vault would be sweet.

If I was some Enclave left I would join them. That bos had nothing to do with Enclave, and they would not really be like any bos at all.

Dude I don't know [censored] about Tactics, K? And it is a sacrifice if the whole reason for it is because the BoS would kill all of his men; if he left it for his own reasons then it wouldn't be but you are saying that he was pressured into some kind of deal on pain of death. Would the MWBoS just kill them instead of just letting them continue?

Besides, all of this revolves around the idea that the MWBoS can surround the Enclave, we don't know what route the Enclave took and I hardly think that they would walk into such a trap; maybe they had eyebot scouts going out ahead.



I want them to survive without becoming mainland [censored]es if that's what your asking, as far as I am concerned the Enclave dream died with the ENCLAVE and Eden was just a manipulating machine; in F3 it's all about the people surviving. Melding with the MWBoS is the death of the Enclave; they aren't in it anymore and are following someone elses orders and creed.

Can I take it then that you agree with me on them contacting Eden prior?