exactly, they are the remnants of the us government, they aren't gone from the series, they'll be back bigtime, this idea they were only in two locations of the united states is stupid, they would of had bases all over the united states.

Maybe even Canada since they anexd it

That'd be a very interesting story line.

What is stupid is turning them into Bowser and being the kewl gaise with kewl armorz and phat lewtz. THEY ARE NOT A MAJOR PART OF THE SERIES.

set me up with a sunset sasparilla.......................but seriously the enclave have to come back as a joinable fraction for all us pro enclave fans and they might not just be in canada they could be in antarctica because i dont think china would nuke block of ice secretly hiding a base but then that wouldn't be so wastlande so that ideas scrapped (sheads a single tear) but still they could be anywhere (looks under bed to make shour thay arnt under there) and dont say why wouldn't they just contact the rig cuz the nukes could have knocked out communication but i am hopping they had a base in new york so fallout could go there

That's kinda funny seeing how your avatar is kewl leet phat uber p0wning looking armorz.

And they are just as major a part of the game as NCR, BoS, Legion, or anything else, and by that I mean a part of the STORY, which many of us want to know more about, because mysterious, powerful, shadow governments are interesting, and figuring out their schemes is fun.

agreed :foodndrink:

Oh yeah I can see it already, the way they treat those robots like Hawkins and others that are sentient it. Why wouldn't a shadow government seize control of one of the best colleges in the world that leads in Engineering and Robotics and all that jazz

*Fixed.
Lost their mystery and power in FO3, and they're hardly a shadow government anymore either considering they invaded the wastes and most people on the east coast knows fully well about them.
Now they're just a government, if even that.

A Shadow of a goverment,

Well,

Kinda,

The Enclave are in decay since Fallout 2 in the end,

But Bethesda revived it

And we have something

Bleh

i hope they com back they were pretty cool and i sided with eden at the end of fallout 3

Ok, so let's set Fallout 4 in... Nevada! Because aren't you still interested in NCR politics, Caesar's Legion invasion and west cost BoS slitting their wrists underground? Or do you think we move on now to some new, refreshing factions and story?
Like what factions could have formed in Canada? How does the Commonwealth look like? The Midwestern BoS, which we've only have seen in a semi-canon game before back in 2001 and is a really interesting faction, how are they managing their fascist regime?

I chose this as my avatar as:
1. Fallout 2 is my favorite game
2. The sprite's size is convenient and fits the dimensions of a forum avatar.
3. I didn't want to deal with ripping another sprite (I wanted to do the Leather Jacket with a SMG, but I could never find sprite sheets for Fallout 1 or 2)

Obsidian has saved us though, without Broken Steel or Fallout 3 there would be no Chicago Outpost, thank you Obsidian; the Enclave lives!

Yes, I will want to return west to see what develops, but hopefully not actually in Nevada, and hopefully not next game, because 3 games have taken place there.

I have said all along location I feel would be uber would be a multi city game that involves Detroit, Chicago, and Windsor.

This way, game could have mwBoS, Enclave, and new factions. It could also very feasibly, have recurrinng characters make appearance from both east and west, and it could tie story line between the coasts together as well.

I do want new factions, new locations, while at same time hitting up old factions, and working on the story.

Oh and while Enclave might be hurting, a fire team of about 6 of them could prolly take down most faction encounters in the mojave. Heck, 6 of them may be able to remove the legion from the area.

No, you shot yourself in the foot at the end of Fallout 3, see, even if you do as Eden says, you are still attacked by the Enclave on sight, and the water now kills you, great choice.

I wonder, if reputation and factions worked in FO3 like they do in FONV, how many people would have sided with Enclave and fought Liberty Prime?

I have a feeling I would have given it a go.

The good thing is, if Enclave returns, that option could be implemented.

It would be impossible for you to join the Enclave, unless it's some pussified splinter faction, that is. If you are not born into it, they want you dead.

The same could be said about BoS, on paper, but I'd imagine they would allow entry to a prime normal that does an excedengly helpful task for them.

BoS, even though xenophobic isolationists, don't hate you like the Enclave does. The problem with helping the Enclave would be getting them to ask for your help, as they see you as impure mutant. Even if you'd be from a vault, there's no guarantee that they would treat you as a human.

True, true, but perhaps you could have the opportunity to help an unarmed/wounded Enclave soldier save his squad or complete a mission, he brings you back to base and you are recognized as a pure human, either that or you speech yourself into being the "new recruit" ala Fallout 2.

You would be surprised how quick people will change their minds when faced with extinction.

Look at how much current USA government has changed since WW 2.

Just because someone said something in FO 1, 2, 3, or NV, does not mean it is 100% accurate or that people, groups, won't change their mind later.

Just like the BoS. People think it isn't the BoS cuz they fight super mutants or recruit. Well, Elders like Lyons realized what must be done for survival. Just like if Enclave wants to survive, and everyone wants that, they will have to adapt.

Time will tell if these organizations have the leadership to do what is necessary for survival.

Personally I'd sooner see the Enclave die out than accept wastelanders (I never agreed with the whole killing Vault Dwellers part, particularly in F3 where it makes even less sense) if they comprimse and just become an organisation which accepts anyone they will have lost everything they ever meant to me.

Well, I'm sure they wouldn't do that. But they could setup alliances with groups and not just kill on site. They can even trade say, minor tech, med supplies, to say an organization like talon company to guard their bases.

They aren't Enclave members, but they are serving Enclave will, and is basically cannon fodder for Enclave. Oh, our guards died? Who cares, not Enclave anyway.

They could also work with slavers for same purpose, while if they wanted to recruit, it would be vault people, or exceptionally gifted and useful people, like, the player character....

If I was Enclave, that is what I would do, while preserving the purity of my own organization. And research cloning, baby vats, robots, and uggg maybe even androids.

Cloning? Cloning is evil, what poor svcker is going to be cloned into a vast clone army? I would rank that as just as bad really, completely destroying identity itself and just churning out cannon-fodder? The way I see it the Enclave survivors need to find an un-opened Vault and just barricade themselves in it for 100 years to rebuild and re-organise whilst not letting the Vault Dwellers much greater numbers erode the principles and the "ends justify the means" attitude. Also, Androids don't exist, right? :cryvaultboy:

They did trade pissy laser pistols to the fools in the Salvadore casino in Fallout 2 in exchange for chemical components and slaves.