Do you think the NCR will last long-term?

Post » Mon Aug 15, 2011 7:48 pm

Simple question. Do you believe the NCR can survive another 50 or 100 years?
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Post » Mon Aug 15, 2011 8:10 pm

Yes. In my opinion or whatever you want to call it, I think the NCR will stick around for hundreds of years until the US is made up of a several smaller nations, the NCR being one of them.
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Post » Mon Aug 15, 2011 11:14 pm

considering they can barely arm there guys with a service rifle No
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Post » Tue Aug 16, 2011 1:46 am

considering they can barely arm there guys with a service rifle No

The Service Rifle is a fairly decent mid game weapon. Its certainly capable of killing Fiends and Legionaires
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Post » Mon Aug 15, 2011 8:52 pm

I strongly believe that through centuries NCR will become to sole ruler of the continental United States and will eventually adopt the old world name and flag. However one major difference is that there are small enclaves (no pun intended) of small factions inside NCR territory, such as the Brotherhood of Steel and New Vegas if House ending becomes canon.
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Post » Mon Aug 15, 2011 4:46 pm

considering they can barely arm there guys with a service rifle No

That's using game mechanics, and that is there starting gun. Some of them get shotguns and hunting rifles, but those would probally still be worse than a service rifle, lore wise.

Lore wise the service rifle is basically an M16 set to semi-auto. You also figure lore wise one shot to a legionairy will do them in. The 5.56 has the tumbling effect which once it enters it tears more into you.
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Post » Mon Aug 15, 2011 4:09 pm

It depends on what's deemed canon and what's not, but for the majority of endings, I don't see why not.

Let's say the NCR ending is deemed canon. In that case, I don't see why they wouldn't. They have a large standing army, good leadership, a power source, and a source of income (The Strip). The only opposition they have is in the form of small pockets of factions, like the raiders, and the BoS (If you didn't blow up their bunker). The only real force they face is Caeser's Legion, and let's be honest: when it comes to melee versus long range, long range wins the majority of the time.
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Post » Tue Aug 16, 2011 3:57 am

The only real force they face is Caeser's Legion, and let's be honest: when it comes to melee versus long range, long range wins the majority of the time.


Interesting considering that Caesar's Legion has been able to hold the NCR in a stalemate for quite some time.

I think people often forget that the Legion has considerable firepower at their disposal too.
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Post » Tue Aug 16, 2011 1:14 am

Interesting considering that Caesar's Legion has been able to hold the NCR in a stalemate for quite some time.

I think people often forget that the Legion has considerable firepower at their disposal too.

I think that the Legion holding off the NCR like that for a main plot was a joke, but since it is written like that you're right. But even if they lost New Vegas, they will probally just sit in California forever.

EDIT: Until the world builds nukes or the next super weapons and destroys it again.
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Post » Tue Aug 16, 2011 5:45 am

Interesting considering that Caesar's Legion has been able to hold the NCR in a stalemate for quite some time.

I think people often forget that the Legion has considerable firepower at their disposal too.



That's true, so the Legion must have something going for them. But most of the lower ranks are armed with Hunting Rifles, and as Wombat mentioned, are probably less powerful than the service rifles, which all NCR soldiers have. But what gets even worse for the Legion is that they have their higher ranking officers running around with knives and clubs! I can't even begin to imagine why Caeser would do this, considering he'd lose a lot of his best leaders in battle, where as the NCR outfits their elite with the best guns and armor they have.
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Post » Tue Aug 16, 2011 7:51 am

I didn't really mean power, just it is better. In battle would you rather have an assault rifle set to semi-auto with a 20 round magazine, or a bolt-action rifle with a small 5 round magazine.
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Post » Tue Aug 16, 2011 1:23 am

Yes, NCR will last for a very long time. People seem to confuse the problems NCR has in the Mojave as a sign all of NCR is like that.

NCR is huge, it is democracy. It has better living standers then any other region in Fallout. It's military is strong. They are winning a war against the Brotherhood and won against the Enclave at Navarro. NCR would be a greater force in the Mojave if it were not for the Divide. Entire divisions were wiped out by the divides storms. Powder gangers managed to cripple the rail lines being built from California to Mojave.

NCR has rail road, farms, democracy, technology, education, military and industrial areas. Will NCR last forever? Nothing lasts forever but I can see NCR lasting well over a hundred years.
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Post » Tue Aug 16, 2011 12:44 am

Interesting considering that Caesar's Legion has been able to hold the NCR in a stalemate for quite some time.

Bear in mind they've got at least two wars on - they're still presumably spending resources bottling up the BOS in Lost Hills
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Post » Tue Aug 16, 2011 2:32 am

The Legion can hold off the NCR because they're willing to use a lot of tactics the NCR won't use like having children become suicide bombers and putting mines on wounded enemies.

There's also the fact that the Legion's economy is much better suited for war. The cost of food and supplies are minimal since it's made using slave labor. The majority of the male population is conscripted and mobilized for war. Only the higher ranking troops are paid any substantial salary.

The NCR actually has to worry about paying for its wars.
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Post » Mon Aug 15, 2011 8:12 pm

Bear in mind they've got at least two wars on - they're still presumably spending resources bottling up the BOS in Lost Hills


Legion does as well. Lanius mentions fighting on the Legions eastern front and worries about pulling troops away from it.
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Post » Tue Aug 16, 2011 4:35 am

Legion does as well. Lanius mentions fighting on the Legions eastern front and worries about pulling troops away from it.


He mentions the campaign in the past tense though. All he says is that blood is needed there which makes it likely he's referring to troops needed for garrison duty rather than active fighting.
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Post » Mon Aug 15, 2011 4:42 pm

He mentions the campaign in the past tense though. All he says is that blood is needed there which makes it likely he's referring to troops needed for garrison duty rather than active fighting.


Perhaps. But that could mean the Legion is dealing with a possible insurrection there or rioting, both instances would require resources and manpower. I assume the phrase "blood is needed" suggests active fighting though, but I could be wrong.

In any case, I think that the resources being diverted by the Legion to the east is nearly equal to the resources needed by the NCR to wipe out remnants of the Brotherhood, which for the time being appear to have gone into defensive mode. We also must take into account that the NCR has greater resources available.
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Post » Tue Aug 16, 2011 1:21 am

The Legion can hold off the NCR because they're willing to use a lot of tactics the NCR won't use like having children become suicide bombers and putting mines on wounded enemies.

There's also the fact that the Legion's economy is much better suited for war. The cost of food and supplies are minimal since it's made using slave labor. The majority of the male population is conscripted and mobilized for war. Only the higher ranking troops are paid any substantial salary.

The NCR actually has to worry about paying for its wars.



This is the only reason why the Legion is able to hold off the NCR. But it's also the Legion's downfall. If all the males in the population are off at war, then no one can increase the population in the homestead of the nation. And slave labor only works for so long, or until you have too many slaves.
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Post » Mon Aug 15, 2011 7:41 pm

This is the only reason why the Legion is able to hold off the NCR. But it's also the Legion's downfall. If all the males in the population are off at war, then no one can increase the population in the homestead of the nation. And slave labor only works for so long, or until you have too many slaves.

The Legion practices polygamy. The best Legion soldiers get several wives so population won't be a big problem. As for the slaves, they may not be treated well, but the Legion gains nothing by working them to death. As for having too many slaves, they could implement a way for slaves to earn their freedom. They could also sell extra slaves to other factions that use slaves.
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Post » Tue Aug 16, 2011 5:20 am

Perhaps. But that could mean the Legion is dealing with a possible insurrection there or rioting, both instances would require resources and manpower. I assume the phrase "blood is needed" suggests active fighting though, but I could be wrong.

In any case, I think that the resources being diverted by the Legion to the east is nearly equal to the resources needed by the NCR to wipe out remnants of the Brotherhood, which for the time being appear to have gone into defensive mode. We also must take into account that the NCR has greater resources available.


Oh that's what I assumed too. You usually don't require substantial military garrisons if an area is securely under your control. I just don't think they're fighting a real war in the East. Of course I'm not sure the NCR is against the Brotherhood anymore either.
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Post » Tue Aug 16, 2011 5:49 am

The Legion practices polygamy. The best Legion soldiers get several wives so population won't be a big problem. As for the slaves, they may not be treated well, but the Legion gains nothing by working them to death. As for having too many slaves, they could implement a way for slaves to earn their freedom. They could also sell extra slaves to other factions that use slaves.


This is all true. I'm just judging by my New Vegas experiences, but they're portrayed as the far weaker faction.
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Post » Tue Aug 16, 2011 12:12 am

Has nobody rememberd that there standard troops can't even defeat a group of fiends? They waste to many men. Like when trying to take the solar power place the bos said that they sent wave after wave that's wasting valubale men.
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Post » Tue Aug 16, 2011 2:35 am

Has nobody rememberd that there standard troops can't even defeat a group of fiends? They waste to many men. Like when trying to take the solar power place the bos said that they sent wave after wave that's wasting valubale men.



They can afford to waste men though. They're the Soviet Army (think World War II) of New Vegas, meaning they have enough men to treat them as expendables.
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Post » Tue Aug 16, 2011 2:03 am

They can afford to waste men though. They're the Soviet Army (think World War II) of New Vegas, meaning they have enough men to treat them as expendables.

Now that you mention that I could see it happening, just sort of turn the WWII map around.

NCR is USSR and the east coast threat is the other allies, Legion pushes into NCR, but then huge counter attacks and the legion is falling apart. Then the NCR controls the nearby Legion controlled area, and the others go about the way they want. minus communism :)
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Post » Mon Aug 15, 2011 9:05 pm

Now that you mention that I could see it happening, just sort of turn the WWII map around.

NCR is USSR and the east coast threat is the other allies, Legion pushes into NCR, but then huge counter attacks and the legion is falling apart. Then the NCR controls the nearby Legion controlled area, and the others go about the way they want.


Yepp :)


minus communism


COMMUNISM IS A LIE!
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