when did black marsh become a client state to the dominion > i thought that was only elswyr? and as far as choosing a side goes what argonian would want to be a stormcloak when his very leader wont permit his kind to enter the city?

just referenced the lore no where does it say black marsh is a client state of the current dominion

This is still built upon the assumption that, as a Nord, the trader pays taxes to Ulfric or an allied Jarl, and contributes to the war effort; as a Dunmer or an Argonian, they do not pay taxes and do not support the war effort. This is still an assumption based on race - in the case of the Argonians, without even a single anecdote to base this judgement upon.

This assumption is being used as the basis to deny non-Nordic people the protection of the law. How is this not racist?

They are mostly rude and slightly racist.

I think only Ralof and Galmar didn't strike me as total *******s. The rest? Pfft...get ready to meet the business end of Stormfang. For Skyrim and the Empire!

Yea I remembered wrongly. Black marsh is independent from both the empire and dominion.

But still, why would Ulfric want to help the argonians if they do not support him in the war? When you do the quests, which NPC didn't ask you for a favor first before giving you something you need?
In medieval times roads are not safe like in the 21st century. Caravan protection is more like a bonus than an obligation. Individuals always have to hire mercenaries to protect their caravans.

As for saying the chance of the argonians in the docks paying tax and the Nord trader paying tax. Well, I see there are lots of guards on the docks, and sometimes in the gray quarters. I'm sure Ulfric is protecting everyone living in windhelm equally.

Remember, while some nords in windhelm treats the Dark elves badly, there are also some dark elves getting the stolen properties of the nords.

Caravan protection is a bonus that Nords are receiving from Ulfric and other races are not. So clearly, Ulfric is not protecting everyone equally, and this decision appears to have been made on account of race. How do you not see the issue here?

yes they seem racist, even thought i play an imperial character

The way I see it, is that their cause isn't necessarily racist. However, it's become a safe haven for racist ideals and these have begun to override the initial intent of the movement. Instead of fighting for religious freedom, it now also seems to have a very xenophobic taint to me. I haven't played though much of the civil war questline at all so I don't know what happens or what will be made canon, but it wouldn't surprise me if a Stormcloak victory meant very bad things for anyone other than Nords eventually.
My current character is a Bosmer, and while she sympathises with the worshippers of Talos, I don't think she will join the Stormcloaks.

Presumably when they are finally crushed and he is brought to trial he'll try the 'just following orders' defence. :hubbahubba:

spoiler alert! after the battle for whiterun is over adrieane avenicce the chick who smiths at war maidens says herself that if it wasnt for her husband the nord with the black beard in the store then the stormcloaks wouldnt even do business with her becuase shes imperials guys like ralof are some of the true decent nords in the faction hell even galmor has a decent attitude towards your non nord player but stormcloak and alot of his men look out for only nords i cant imagine the drunken huntsmen saw too much business after the stormcloaks take whiterun either :intergalactic:

I am sure some of them are. I was playing as a Wood Elf & the shop owner's brother in Falkreath , who works at the lumber mill was very offensive. Now i have made a Nord character too, he is all friendly & respectfull.

I had my suspicions but going to Windhelm confirmed it. :facepalm:

Also since its been brought up, isn't it the Thalmor who are the ones behind the ban on Talos worship and the Empire are forced to go along with it so they don't get their butts kicked again?

They are, and there's nothing wrong with that.

Haha. Nonsense. They need to chillax. Over time the nords in Windhelm should all become 'beige' and have pink eyes and be reisistant to both fire and frost. Pretty win imho.

This except I worked with the Imperials to hear Col. Saul Tigh

Which presumably is where the entire voice budget got spent. He doesn't sound 'angry' or 'drunk' enough for me. I don't think Tullius is a Tigh character. He's amoral but he's way too secure and confident to be convincingly bitter. Alas.

Stormcloaks are racist and possibly would have allied themselves with the nazi thalmor and Imperials have a sixier leader in skyrim and thalmor dont want the imperials to win so...

They are nice people and I'm offended you would say their racists.

He is deliciously cranky, though.

they love their contry - why racist? no way - they are cool guys.

yes there racist and i dont get why they are being compared to native american's if anything the nord were like the new foreign settlers and the falmer were the native american's

Its not like they had any choice. Death to the empire or hang around with thalmor

Haha true! I was a little worried tho before the edit. I mean he's wearing a skirt, sure .. but ..

The Thalmor don't want a Stormcloak victory either.
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Thalmor_Dossier:_Ulfric_Stormcloak


http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Night_of_Tears

Yeah, I have a bad habit of dropping suffixes and articles when I type. I just sort of vomit words on to the screen, then I'm all like, "wait".