Agreed.

i don t thing this criteria defines RPG at all...

YES.

This is TES, you play TES forever.

What? :unsure:

I in turn understand your point and I don't think we're going to make any headway on coming to an agreement. If you value playing after the 'ending' (literally, that - in and of itself with no added content - is enough for you) more than a better finale than I can't do anything except offer my condolences.


1 - I want there to be a way around your character dying
2 - How is "I'm going to go and do some mining now, or maybe I'll do some side quests until I'm burned out" as climactic as your character giving their life to save the world? And on point 1 - I don't want it to be impossible to avoid. I just want it to be the default state (á la DA:O)
3 - Since when was continuing after the ending the point of TES? I would call it a fairly minor aspect of the series so far to be honest. I think it's laughable that you think that I'm "missing the point of TES" just because I think that PC death in the finale adds to the climix of the story. I'm not missing the point - TES revolves around the player and what they want to do, not the story. I don't argue that. I just think that the main quest should be the primary focus of the game if the player directs enough attention towards it, and that default character death at the end of it would make it more epic.

I believe I can agree there, I've played many great RPGs that end with the completion of the main quest, and I've played good ones that don't. All in all, continued play after the main quest is not an essential part of the definition of RPG.

Now replace "RPG" with "The Elder Scrolls", and I can agree with the statement quoted in the post I just quoted.

Whoever voted no was obviously joking. 0.o
TES has always never been about the main quest. It's about doing what you want to do. If you decide to not do the MQ, then fine. That's your choice. It's TES.

Absolutely. The full-stop endings were the main thing I hated about non-DLC Fallout 3 and New Vegas.

of course it should continue. : :dance:

I edited my post on the previous page to respond to you, but I'm not sure if you saw it.

Anyway, I have to question how much letting the player play the same character after the credits is fundamental to TES. It might be a recurring theme, but it doesn't add an 'OMG THIS IS EPIC' dimension to the game. What it does do, as Shades pointed out earlier, is completely neuter the endings to the games so that they're mediocre at best. Seems like a feature ripe for the cutting if you ask me.

This is TES, not some average console game where you actually finish the game. Dumb poll

I really don't see why anyone would vote no here, unless they were a Fallout really devoted fan of the highest order...

:brokencomputer: AM I POSTING TO A BRICK WALL?

Let's not shoot down my OPINION, mmk?

Thanks.

I think it was nice to be "recognized" in Oblivion. In Vanilla, the Champion armor is epic. (mods can just beef up the armor to work with Oscuro's, for example)
Implement something similar. Some people want to finish every quest as they get them.

For example. I bought Fallout 3. Cool game. I went strait through the MQ. But I died. WHAT. I can't play anymore? I mean, yeah I can load a save, but I wanted to force the dumb Super-Mutant in there. dangit

Maybe if you actually backed your opinion up proving me wrong I'd agree to a truce, but as it is if you're going to post things that I consider stupid I'm going to continue pointing it out.

How does Fallout fandom contribute to voting in this poll?

It would really ruin the game for me to be honest. I want to be able to walk around and plunder dungeons and do side quest and I think that is one of The Elder Scrolls things you know what I mean?

Dont worry greatcarbuncle, I understand what youre trying to say.

Let me try this argument.

TES is about doing what you want. Yes? I feel that appeals to those saying things should continue. What if you wish for your character to die trying to save the world, cause thats how you want his story to end?

An ending system could be thought up, Beth is pretty clever, were things could go either way. Based on the character, what the character has done, how they play the ending itself, and what the player themselves want, I feel that there could be multiple endings here. A few where you die, and a few where you live. What if the game thinks my character should die? Then your out of luck. Try the ending again and see if you can live this time.

You know you can do those things before finishing the MQ, right?


Yes.


That's what I want the default "you didn't sell your soul" ending to be.


Oh I want multiple endings. I just don't want the character death ending to be the 'you failed to whatever extent' ending. I think that the player should have to do some shady stuff to keep their character's life (Dragon Age).

I've never advocated unavoidable character death á la FO3.

Hell yes! I spent most of my game time after I beat the main quest.

why wouldn't i?

My thoughts? It's an Elder Scrolls game, of course there will be no real "end" and you'll play forever.




No, but it adds repeat business from people addicted to that particular feature, and provokes extreme nerd rage when removed- note Fallout 3, and people's "OMG teh wurld haz ended, y duz tihs Beth gaem end??"

Indeed, it does neuter the conclusions to the main quests (let's be honest, calling them "endings" is giving them more than they deserve since the game doesn't in fact end) something fierce, making them rather hollow at best. "Look! It's the Champion of Cyrodiil! Hey Champion, I saw a mudcrab the other day..."

Ripe for the cutting? Yeah, you thought there was nerd rage about Fallout 3 actually ending? Put a real ending in an Elder Scrolls game and there's likely to be riots and a death toll. Hello, evening news!



What do console games have to do with it? By and large most CRPGs made before consoles advanced beyond Mario games have endings.



About the same way "average console games" do- as an excuse for someone to bash something, and nothing more. :shrug:

The poll may need a third choice: "I don't plan on doing the main quest."

In the past two titles I just explored. The Oblivion gates dotting the countryside did get in the way of this, though, so I forced myself to make some headway in that quest. But I couldn't maintain interest in it since it felt like a closely borrowed Tolkien plot (same with Morrowind.) Skyrim is coming across as similar in that regard.
So, more random exploring for me, then.

The series must improve, no matter the cost.
:flame:

No, I didn't know that :rolleyes: I just want to do them when I want to do them and don't feel like starting over whenever I beat the game. I guess I could just hold off on beating the game but why should I if I don't have to. The Elder Scrolls games always let you play the game the way you want to play them and I thunk they keep on going in the same direction ans their recent elder scroll games.