Do you want slavery in your Skirim?

Post » Wed Mar 30, 2011 1:56 am

I'm indifferent on this topic, but I can't help but notice all the people automatically associating the Dunmer with slavery. It's a bit racist to think that members of one race are bound to be the ones causing a certain type trouble, no? What kind of slaves would the Nords allow the Dunmer to have? Why does being a Dunmer somehow equate to slavery? Who would the Dunmer, a now disunified, likely assimilated, powerless, and nationless people, enslave?
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Post » Wed Mar 30, 2011 2:59 pm

I'm indifferent on this topic, but I can't help but notice all the people automatically associating the Dunmer with slavery. It's a bit racist to think that members of one race are bound to be the ones causing a certain type trouble, no? What kind of slaves would the Nords allow the Dunmer to have? Why does being a Dunmer somehow equate to slavery? Who would the Dunmer, a now disunified, likely assimilated, powerless, and nationless people, enslave?

Haha, I love how it's now possible to be racist against a make-believe fantasy race. They would have khajiits and argonians, if previous games are any indication. Something tells me the nords will be too busy fighting a civil war to care much about the slave trade.
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Post » Wed Mar 30, 2011 12:23 pm

I'd like it. I enjoyed freeing slaves in Morrowind.
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Post » Wed Mar 30, 2011 1:56 am

Haha, I love how it's now possible to be racist against a make-believe fantasy race. They would have khajiits and argonians, if previous games are any indication. Something tells me the nords will be too busy fighting a civil war to care much about the slave trade.

A nationless, limited people are going to enslave Argonians? :rofl: Argonia likely now has the power to obliterate what remains of the puny Dunmer. Hell, in the midst of Skyrim's civil war, they could probably easily invade Skyrim itself. Tell me, how would any Dunmer foolish enough to believe they still have enough power over any other race to enslave them capture members of the Khajiit or, especially, the Argonian race and make them slaves?

Yes, it is possible to be racist against a make-believe race. Condescending assumptions about any race is classified as racism. I didn't call anyone an ignorant racist pig, I used a term that accurately depicts the attitude in regards to the Dunmer. I love how modern society attributes such inherently negative thoughts to the usage of certain words that a proper term can't be used without the user being thought of as ridiculous for applying said word to something not seriously threatening to the real world. I could use the term "racist" or the phrase "falsely making false assumptions about a people or persons based on race". A Dunmer is not automatically some cold slaver nor are certain cultural values necessarily tied to the genetics of any being. The Dunmer have been without their homeland and tradional society for almost two hundred years by Skyrim... all of them. Dunmer inhabiting Cyrodiil have been assimilated into Imperial culture, people in real life are the same way with cultural identities, and I don't see how some xenophobic slavers who lost their homeland and way of life only to be able to turn to the hospitality of a completely different culture as a last resort could pass on their slaving tendencies to their offspring, which are growing up in this separate culture that has so peacefully welcomed them.
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Post » Wed Mar 30, 2011 4:27 pm

This again? Yes I want slavery, so I can butcher all the slavers and slave owners, without mercy. Any Dunmer, maybe the broken remnant of a once 'great' house, part of a broken race of refugees still clinging to a worthless pride, want to get in the way? Bring it on. More arrogant fools to be butchered, again without mercy. This ain't one of those morally grey areas, this is black and white.
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Post » Wed Mar 30, 2011 1:44 pm

Do keep in mind that there are alot of dummner refugees in Skyrim and some of them might start some illegal slave trade.

Possibly, but bare in mind that the Dunmer mostly take Khajiit and Argonian slaves. Only the toughest Argonians and Khajiit are going to be traveling Skyrim.

Also Skyrim is a harsh and rugged place. The residents are going to be stubborn and tough. Not many would give in to slavery, except children perhaps... Oh, that makes sense.
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Post » Wed Mar 30, 2011 9:58 am

You should change the poll options to regular "yes and no". Not many would be as enthusiastic about their opinion. Personally, I doubt there could be a slave trade there. The Dunmer would be too disorganized from a hasty migration and it is illegal.
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Post » Wed Mar 30, 2011 12:55 pm

Well I believe Nords not appreciate slavery as Dunmers appreciate before and suffer from Argonians now
Nedes are race of men what fight for freedom and be equal to elves, yes Vikings was slavers but
The Vikings and Scandinavia
Main articles: Thrall and Volga trade route

In the Viking era starting in approximately AD 793, the Norse raiders often captured and enslaved militarily weaker peoples they encountered. In the Nordic countries the slaves were called thralls (Old Norse: Tr?ll).[22] The thralls were mostly from Western Europe, among them many Franks, Anglo-Saxons, and Celts. Many Irish slaves participated in the colonization of Iceland.[23] There is evidence of German, Baltic, Slavic and Latin slaves as well. The slave trade was one of the pillars of Norse commerce during the 6th through 11th centuries.[24] The Persian traveller Ibn Rustah described how Swedish Vikings, the Varangians or Rus, terrorized and enslaved the Slavs. The slave raids came to an end when Christianity became dominant throughout Scandinavia. The bishops held that a Christian could not morally own another Christian. The thrall system was finally abolished in the mid-14th century in Scandinavia.[25]

The same change in culture can be applied for Nords as well, worship to Nine divines forbidden to make slaves?
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Nord
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Post » Wed Mar 30, 2011 5:26 am

I wouldn't mind buying a few Dunmer slaves from travelling Argonians - but I doubt it fits Skyrim, am more interested in how they are treating their prisoners of war seeing as I might be starting as one.
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Post » Wed Mar 30, 2011 11:58 am

I think it'd be fitting if rebels were to take imperials as POW slaves, maybe whilst the Empire still holds on to the anti-slavery agenda. (then again I'm biased :D)
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Post » Wed Mar 30, 2011 3:21 pm

I'm indifferent on this topic, but I can't help but notice all the people automatically associating the Dunmer with slavery. It's a bit racist to think that members of one race are bound to be the ones causing a certain type trouble, no? What kind of slaves would the Nords allow the Dunmer to have? Why does being a Dunmer somehow equate to slavery? Who would the Dunmer, a now disunified, likely assimilated, powerless, and nationless people, enslave?

Well I was giving that an example. I know that according to lore other races used to have slavery like the High elves did captured Nords eventually leading to the birth of the breton. I still dont get how some tough guys got captured by altmers though. Still back to topic. We could have some argoinians from occupied Morrowind capturing dummner and you can see the lizard and blue elves heading towards morrowind. (though you obviously you cant get there.) Or maybey the empire now accepts slavery. And like of you said. There are POW for both sides of the civil war.
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Post » Wed Mar 30, 2011 6:44 am

HELL YEAH!

But is there even slavery in Skyrim, I doubt so.
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Post » Wed Mar 30, 2011 2:14 am

Only if it's implemented in an interesting way.

Example Quest- A group of once-powerful Orc warriors were enslaved after losing a battle with the Nords of a certain village. You feel bad for them, so during the night you sneak into the master's house, grab the key to their slave bracers, and free them. They thank you and promise to speak well of you in the stories of their clan.

You feel accomplished, but the feeling quickly turns to horror as the horde of freed Orcs turns on the sleeping townspeople, raiding the blacksmith's armory for weapons and butchering innocent men and women in their homes. Perhaps these Orcs deserved enslavement after all? But now they've taken over the town, and the economy has shifted to weapons-based one to accommodate their lifestyle.

So yeah, at the very least, freeing slaves should effect the economy (mostly negatively, due to less free labor).
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Post » Wed Mar 30, 2011 9:41 am

I voted Hell No. If there are slavers in the world, they are the enemy and they will be hunted down and eliminated. My characters hate slavers...can't abide them. It's not a way of life, it's an abomination for people to own people...in any world. :)

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Post » Wed Mar 30, 2011 11:54 am

Very biased poll, i want slavery but i dont want much of it.less than in morrowind, more than in oblivion.

i'd buy a slave then kill the slaver, take my money back and live happily ever after with my new slave companion that would die the next time i'd face a dragon.
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Post » Wed Mar 30, 2011 4:41 pm

All polls could do with a "other" option. For this one you forgot "if it fits the lore" for those of us who are still learning the lore and just want it the way it is in it. So if it fits the lore to have slaves then yes, if not then no. However I′m going to say no because from what my nordic brethren in Morrowind have taught me they are free people who would rather banish one of their own than keep him captive, and seem mostly inclined to have no captives nore slaves of any kind.

But for other races in dark corners that are not filled with honorable Nords, or perhaps even some of the murkier, shady Nords who have less than honorable intents could have slaves, but only a few of them.

So I′m all in for slavery but not if it′s public, only if it′s hidden from the locals of Skyrim.
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Post » Wed Mar 30, 2011 6:51 am

I want an Adoring Slave...
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Post » Wed Mar 30, 2011 6:53 am

As long as it is run by badass criminals and not targeting khajiit/argonians specifically.
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Post » Wed Mar 30, 2011 4:15 pm

Nah i think they would just get in my way
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Post » Wed Mar 30, 2011 9:27 am

Yes indeed, because I am just that irish

Whats that supposed to mean?
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Post » Wed Mar 30, 2011 2:37 am

But of course no slave is ever complete without the option of:

Saving them
Using them
Killing them
Become a slave? (Quest :D)
Undercover mission as a slave

Can think of more...sad face.


Slave uprising.
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Post » Wed Mar 30, 2011 3:33 am

Yes, I want lots of slaves in skyrim, be them slave trade goods or war prisoners.

But of course no slave is ever complete without the option of:

Saving them
Using them
Killing them
Become a slave? (Quest :D)
Undercover mission as a slave

Can think of more...sad face.


Good ideas here. I liked the slavery in Morrowind ( I would always free the poor Argonians and Khajits :laugh: ). It could add to some interesting gameplay.
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Post » Wed Mar 30, 2011 11:45 am

Either way it was outlawed. It would be disappointing to me if society regressed that much. I may put aside my "non murderer" stance and assassinate every single slaver I find in the game if they put in slavery. No thanks.

Certainly the pro-Empire parts would still ban it, since the Empire ended slavery by the time of Oblivion. If the rebels were pro-slavery it would make siding with the Imperials a much easier decision too.
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Post » Wed Mar 30, 2011 1:42 am

I was replaying Morrowind today and I was playing an evil character/assassin. I told a slave trader I would deliver a slave and apparently the person who received the slave just wanted to gut the slave to get some moon sugar that the slave had been forced to swallow. Made me feel bad for being evil LOL. I know a BIT off topic but.. maybe it will bring back memories of Morrowind and put a perspective on whether or not you guys would like to see quests like that. Just because something is illegal does not mean that it does not still exist, Example: Necromancy.
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Post » Wed Mar 30, 2011 6:11 am

If it's there, it's there. More options are nice, but I don't care either way.
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