Learn more about role playing I guess. I never found any of my role plays filthy rich unless that was their prerogative. So again, it was fine for actual RPers.

so...what you mean to say is that you have no argument at all. I gave SEVERAL examples of basic character RPs who would loot stuff. even looting just guns gets you rich, so again, you have to not loot ANYTHING at all, ever, to not be.

people i watch on youtube, Sorcererdave and Gopher, both RP A LOT, and both of them are swimming in caps unless they find an expensive item they want to buy.

No, that's what you've been showing us for 2 or 3 pages, that YOU have no argument and never did.

Youtube? You need to watch people vicariously experience games through Internet vids? I'll take it you're another person that has never actually played the Fallout games. I mean, you've already showed us you don't know what role play is. LMAO I think we're done here.

This is not a good justification. It's akin to bugs in the game where someone can claim "I didn't have any issues or glitches, so it's fine." That doesn't negate the fact that the bug is still there and can occur.

You don't need a lot of skill points into barter (or speechcraft in Skyrim) to make bank. The sheer amount of loot that is available allows one to make a lot of money - unless you're hoarding, that's a different story.

you have not given a SINGLE piece of evidence other then "i am not rich in game", which is not evidence, since EVERYONE ELSE here is saying how easy it is, RP or not. What is wrong with ANY of the examples i have given for basic RP characters? again, even picking up guns and selling them WILL make you rich. I DON'T loot everything from everything, i literally JUST pick up guns and basic supplies from people, and after a while get enough money to never really worry. So unless you are implying you are the ONLY person who who knows what roleplay is, then you are completely incorrect here.

Try reading. Every character isn't some OCD scavenger. If you're playing like that you're not role playing. So yeah, there was nothing wrong with barter.

I find the argument of the player having to limit themselves (be it through role playing or not) still not an excuse for poor game design in how absurdly easy it is to earn money in a RPG. It would be like saying a leveling system is balanced because you gimp yourself.

Bethesda games have always been about limiting yourself, just how RPGs in general are about limiting yourself. You don't roleplay, then sure you'll end up with ridiculous amount of money. Good thing this is an RPG though, not some min/max meta action game. So again, I never had any problem with too much money because I role played. Maybe some of you should try it.

Boy, you're a real fire brand. I hate to tell you this, sport, but not everyone role plays.

Fwiw, I like barter being separate from speech, but I'm not dense enough to not realize that there may be inherent issues with a system. So, do you have any arguments besides, "go RP," that can justify the mechanical aspect of something working or not?

And that's no argument against anything I've said.

So again, role play and you'll be fine.

To be fair, Gopher has like 10 rifle, 10 shotguns and 20 pistols in his backpack all the time
I "guess" by roleplaying he means carrying realistic amounts of stuff.

I watch games on Youtube too. I don't need it, I enjoy it. I know shocking.
I don't know if he played the first two games or not, but even if he didn't so what ?

Credibility, which he completely lacks. Why would I humor someone who experienced the games through Youtube and probably never even played them? He needs to watch a Youtube video to know what role playing is? That was my point. Also the fact his "arguments" haven't made any sense.

And by role play I mean stay in character, is every character going to strip every area completely? Is every character some OCD hoarding trader?

Roleplay to avoid running into an issue with snowballing.

Lmao.

Your impossible, as i said my characters ONLY loots guns, and still makes enough. and again, what you are saying is that a Thief or bandit type character are not actually Role-playing

now if you are talking "Realistic amounts", that is not RPing, no one in their right mind would consider that RPing, that is simulating and being (not realy at all) realistic, otherwise you are saying No tabletop games or video games are Role-playing, including dungone and Dragons. LITERALLY, the weight rules, are probably the single most IGNORED rule in the ENTIRE rulebook, and by the way, the weight rule of THAT game still allows you to carry a lot of stuff if yo uare strong enough.

You know what, your clearly just saying stuff just to get reactions out of people (not allowed to say the actual word), because no one could REALLY have such a non-existance argument as you do.

and like i said, i DO RP, and still make loads of money, the only way too NOT makes loads of money is too ignore all loot

Way to selective quote. I said is every character some hoarder? And then go on about character prerogatives. If you make a thief his prerogative would be to loot (as long as that's what you've decided your character will be and how he thieves). That's staying in character. Hell, I bring this up a couple posts ago. Read.

He doesn't watch Sorcceror Dave or Gopher to understand the game lol
He watches them because he likes their commentry and character. Welcome to the Internet !
The problem that everyone mentions is, even if you take one or two light weighted weopons and sell them you can get rich fast, which is true for "most" people with how they play. You cannot tell people how they should play their games.
I don't want Barter to go, for me the more important thing is the conversation options that go with a Barter check. Money was never an issue for me even without Barter.

And yet that's what he just said. He's already made it clear he doesn't role play and didn't know what it was. He then said he had to watch a video just to see what role playing was. He wouldn't have used him watching people RP on youtube as evidence if he actually RPed or knew what it was. ... It's right there in post 128#.

I have never told people how they should play their game. I told them that when you RP you don't find yourself with too many caps unless it's your character's prerogative to be rich. Over 100 character between F3 and NV, I should know.

Why are none of you reading?

Sorry bud, doesn't fix the issue.

There's not an issue to fix for role players. This being an RPG and all.

Well I give up It's very late around here

Oh and this is the thread where PKMN showed he didn't know what role playing was. Put two and two together and I doubt his credibility.

http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1526504-weakowerpowered-equipment-and-roleplaying/page-2

So yeah, no problem when you role play and stay in character. Rather redundant since they both mean the same thing really.

because you have no sense?

When did i EVER say i learned about RPing from youtube? do you understand how to speak english? I was giving them as examples of people who loot A LOT of stuff, but still RP.

You clearly have no idea what you are talking about, did you play as a guy who never did anything all 100 times?

yeah, okay, you really have no idea what you are doing here.

We know you don't hence why you've yet to have a point or form an argument. I'll just go on ahead and ignore you since you seem to be a confused really devoted fan.

It is, at its core, a single player game, which requires balance to ensure that however someone plays their game, it remains fair and challenging - at least in the beginning to mid game stages, endgame is another matter.

So, again, back to my original statement: saying it's not an issue for one playstyle doesn't mean the problem doesn't exist.

Bethesda games (especially recent ones) have never been balanced.

So yeah it's not an issue for those that role play... in a role playing game. Go play a shooter if you don't like it.

Just because some people don't role play doesn't mean it's any sort of argument against those that do.