Do you want video back in the game?

Post » Tue Mar 15, 2011 1:00 am

I am curious as to what people think. Do you want live action video back in the game like they did in Daggerfall? I don't know but when they had the videos in Daggerfall, I thought it was so awsome, it set the story for you and gave it some character and feel to it. I missed it in Morrowind and guess I never thought of it for Oblivion, but seeing some You Tube videos, I thought Holly Cow, it was awsome.

Mind you they didn't have much video in Daggerfall but what little it did have, I loved it. I don't think it will be in TES V, so will not even ask for it. But what about say TES VI or another spin off, like Fallout: New Vegas?

Does video even need to be done now that we have almost real like graphics? Since it hasn't been done in ages now, or at least that I know of, I would like it to come back to TES to add some realism or character to the game.

What do you guys and galls think?
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Post » Mon Mar 14, 2011 5:13 pm

I am curious as to what people think. Do you want live action video back in the game like they did in Daggerfall? I don't know but when they had the videos in Daggerfall, I thought it was so awsome, it set the story for you and gave it some character and feel to it. I missed it in Morrowind and guess I never thought of it for Oblivion, but seeing some You Tube videos, I thought Holly Cow, it was awsome.

Mind you they didn't have much video in Daggerfall but what little it did have, I loved it. I don't think it will be in TES V, so will not even ask for it. But what about say TES VI or another spin off, like Fallout: New Vegas?

Does video even need to be done now that we have almost real like graphics? Since it hasn't been done in ages now, or at least that I know of, I would like it to come back to TES to add some realism or character to the game.

What do you guys and galls think?


What do you mean by video? Cutscenes and the like?
If so I'm not keen. Anything that takes control of the game out of my character's hands (at least if she succeeds in what shes trying to do) is bad.
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Post » Tue Mar 15, 2011 1:10 am

Gameplay > Cutscenes
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Post » Tue Mar 15, 2011 1:24 am

So you're asking for live-action cutscenes, basically?

It seems to me that those would be pretty redundant with detailed modern graphics, we must remember that in Daggerfall, characters were just flat, undetailed sprites, as of Oblivion things are much more detailed than that, so there's little need for such things to show you the details anymore, live-action cutscenes would only end up not quite matching up to the look of the actual in-game graphics. If the game will feature cutscenes rendered using anything outside of in-game graphics, they should just use prerendered computer generated cutscenes, at least than it's easier to keep the look and feel consistent with the real time graphics more easily. And aside from the fact that live-action footage might not necessarily look consistent with he in-game graphics, it could also end up being done poorly, filming live-action scenes requires some different techniques from modeling an animating characters in a game, and Bethesda's experience with the former might not help them with the latter, added to that, since most of the budget would need to be spent on the game itself, what can be used for the cutscenes might be rather limited compared to what people filming an actual movie would have to work with (Of course, a movie would probably also be longer than all the cutscenes in the game combined, especially if the game is going to be like earlier Elder Scrolls games and have very few actual cutscenes, but I mean the ratio of budget to the amount of footage that would need to be filmed.) which could potentially result in a... subpar performance. We might end up getting Khajiit and Argonians that actually do look like people in rubber suits, because they are and are very fake looking ones at that.

I should point out that the only recent games I've seen that have used live-action cutscenes are Command and Conquer games, and being real time strategy games, those don't put nearly as much detail into individual objects and characters in the game as the Elder Scrolls can, so there's more of a reason to rely on such. Whereas in a game with Oblivion's graphics I really don't need the game to suddenly switch to footage of real actors to show me what happens, the game's graphics can show me that.
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Post » Mon Mar 14, 2011 7:23 pm

Live action cutscenes like Command and Conquer?

No. This thread is bad and you should feel bad.
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Post » Mon Mar 14, 2011 5:19 pm

No. This thread is bad and you should feel bad.

Hey now, be nice. :slap:
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Post » Mon Mar 14, 2011 8:27 pm

Nope. Live action cutscenes were used back when any pre-rendered cutscenes looked horrid. Now that the technology is there there's absolutely no need to go back to live action cutscenes. Whenever I see a game use them, such as Command and Conquer 4, I feel like I've been instantly transported back into the 90's, and I do not like that feeling.
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Post » Mon Mar 14, 2011 10:07 pm

Not in a main title..........it might be awesome on a DS or smartphone title, if done right.
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Post » Mon Mar 14, 2011 11:52 pm

It would break the immersion for me... If they were able to make the game really work well with live action gameplay (don't even mention the previous attempts in the 90's cause those games svcked) then live action cutscenes would be a natural addition, unfortunately this isn't likely to ever be the case.
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Post » Mon Mar 14, 2011 6:58 pm

What do you mean by video? Cutscenes and the like?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niU1bRqxrIU
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Post » Tue Mar 15, 2011 1:37 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niU1bRqxrIU

Sorry abou that, yes I ment cut scenes. As the link provided, I loved it. I still love it. I guess because I haven't seen used in ages, it might be nice to be brought back if used correctly. Anyone remember Civ II? I loved the advisors, I wish they brought them back, that was just classic.

It was just an idea. I guess with todays technology it would be moot, or because todays tech, maybe we wouldn't see the difference? I guess we would see the difference so todays tech is not so advance as people would say it is. If done properly I think it would be great, but if done poorly it would break the immersion of the game. But Daggerfall did a good job of it. At the begining of the game, short and sweet.
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Post » Mon Mar 14, 2011 8:23 pm

Anyone remember Civ II? I loved the advisors, I wish they brought them back, that was just classic.


I think they are bringing them back for Civ V. They won't be live action though.

I personally wouldn't want live action in TES. Maybe in something else it could be fun.
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Post » Mon Mar 14, 2011 9:29 pm

They have thier place, and are very good for getting story elements accross. Like I loved Wing Comander 4, and that game was practically all live action when you wernt in the cockpit, and it worked realy well. They do have thier place, though I dont like live action when it looks nothing like the character models. its either ALL live action or No live action. Though in a game like TES I would probably prefer cut scenes to be made with the in game engine, as the technology is there.
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Post » Mon Mar 14, 2011 10:11 pm

I'm confused what you are saying , living action cut scenes?
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Post » Tue Mar 15, 2011 12:00 am

I'm confused what you are saying , living action cut scenes?


Sorry abou that, yes I ment cut scenes. As the link provided, I loved it. I still love it. I guess because I haven't seen used in ages, it might be nice to be brought back if used correctly. Anyone remember Civ II? I loved the advisors, I wish they brought them back, that was just classic.

It was just an idea. I guess with todays technology it would be moot, or because todays tech, maybe we wouldn't see the difference? I guess we would see the difference so todays tech is not so advance as people would say it is. If done properly I think it would be great, but if done poorly it would break the immersion of the game. But Daggerfall did a good job of it. At the begining of the game, short and sweet.

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Post » Mon Mar 14, 2011 8:12 pm

What company would consider paying extra money for costuming and set design (except EA LA, apparently), when you can simply render the whole scene on a computer?
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Post » Tue Mar 15, 2011 5:00 am

Hey now, be nice. :slap:


Not a Futurama fan I take it. <_<
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Post » Tue Mar 15, 2011 2:57 am

Not a Futurama fan I take it. <_<

It's not a bad show, but I've only ever seen it a few times because I can never find it.
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Post » Mon Mar 14, 2011 3:38 pm

It's not a bad show, but I've only ever seen it a few times because I can never find it.

This is off topic but Nextmastermind all the old episodes are showing because they ended the futureama series a while back but at least they still show it p.s if you have sky it should be on sky 1.
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Post » Mon Mar 14, 2011 9:36 pm

This is off topic but Nextmastermind all the old episodes are showing because they ended the futureama series a while back but at least they still show it p.s if you have sky it should be on sky 1.


I know it's still off topic (sorry), but they just brought the series back. Also, I didn't get the reference either, though I'm a pretty big futurama fan.

edit (on topic): I don't think they should bring cut scenes back. That's one thing I feel they've been working towards, is making the graphics so good that they are able now to make the cut scenes in-game scenes. Though, I'll admit I did like it in the older games, It gave it a pretty good feel, but now it works great making it almost seamless with the graphics they have now.
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Post » Mon Mar 14, 2011 1:04 pm

I know it's still off topic (sorry), but they just brought the series back. Also, I didn't get the reference either, though I'm a pretty big futurama fan.

edit (on topic): I don't think they should bring cut scenes back. That's one thing I feel they've been working towards, is making the graphics so good that they are able now to make the cut scenes in-game scenes. Though, I'll admit I did like it in the older games, It gave it a pretty good feel, but now it works great making it almost seamless with the graphics they have now.

On topic it only works for old games.
off topic when I thought they ended it with the episode where fry and leela fell in love because they didn't show any credits.
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Post » Mon Mar 14, 2011 4:38 pm

warning: contains spoilers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLWAr3TQ-S8
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Post » Mon Mar 14, 2011 5:09 pm

warning: contains spoilers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLWAr3TQ-S8

That scene to the contrary, they need to improve the quality of their cut scenes. When you see something major happening but all the characters are just standing straight and still, it really breaks up the momentum for me. I don't see the need for FMV scenes, but throw in some mocap so the characters don't look like mannequins.
For what its worth, I think the FMV scenes in C&C are part of its charm, but only because the series has always used them. Mortal Kombat lost all of its charm when it lost its sprites IMO and C&C would seem even worse if it lost its actors.
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Post » Tue Mar 15, 2011 12:33 am

It had its working charm with Daggerfall, and there was a long period in which I missed these too, but with current tech not so much anymore... and as already pointed out it may be distracting these days.
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Post » Mon Mar 14, 2011 11:43 pm

It's not because of the graphics at all, but I don't think a real person could create the feel of the races of Tamriel correctly. Especially the non man races. It also seems a bit tacky, imo, whenever there's live action in this kind of scenery. Films, games, whatever.
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