so if you were fighting an airborn creature... : V - Skyrim

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 6:29 am

If the thing really wanted to fight it would have to follow me indoors. It would have too much advantage outside. Then I'd summon something to distract it while I filled it full of arrows.

yea...but he'd just burn all your arrows up with his fire breath. yea, so now wat?

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 6:43 am

Okay, okay, hear me out. If I was a dragon and some dude with a spear was poking me...now, this is where it get's a little complex so pay attention...I would fly slightly higher up and then roast the idiot with a fireball.

Why on earth would you choose a spear against a flying enemy rather than a bow or ranged spell? How do you expect to get enough force to do any damage at all when the creature is either staying just barely within your reach or flying away from you? Only if the flying creature in question was pants on head [censored] and flew directly at your spear would this make any sense.

Anyway, that's besides the point. Please, for the love of god, stop making spear topics. There have been literally hundreds of them by now, it is pointless and it is annoying. Stop, please. If they're in then they're in, if not then they're not. Deal with it.

Well said :thumbsup:

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 2:44 am

Spears are not the most boring weapon ever made. That would be a club. Spears can be used a dozen different ways. You can poke, or slash, or bash, or throw.
If the system doesn't allow for moves that would be used against a spear wielding foe, then fix the system. Make spears fragile. Make them unable to attack anyone under 2 feet away.

So please, before denying the usefulness of an underused weapon, at least check out actual instances of one on one fighting where that weapon is used.

I gotta disagree with that you can basically only throw and stab with a spear, bashing sounds like a great way to break it and slash may work if it has a halberd head but not with a normal spear, you would have to be extremely skilled for that, and you enemy would have to be pretty much standing still, with the longer the weapon is the less leverage you have on it and it is harder to control.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 2:23 am

I gotta disagree with that you can basically only throw and stab with a spear, bashing sounds like a great way to break it and slash may work if it has a halberd head but not with a normal spear, you would have to be extremely skilled for that, and you enemy would have to be pretty much standing still, with the longer the weapon is the less leverage you have on it and it is harder to control.

Most spears are made of very strong, flexible woods like cornel and ash. It's really more of a parrying move, where the impact isn't "smashed" against something, sort of pushes it out of the way. But you can also swipe someone in the head.
As far as slashing goes, you can slash somebody with the tip of a pen. What a spear can't really do, that a halberd can, is chop.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 5:07 am

If I'm fighing an Airborn Creature I'm gonna have to use Destruction Spells or Paralyze Spells the ones that target. Spears I don't know why you would want to use it. It's basically going to act as a Claymore anyway and if your fighting a Dragon :mage: it's probably not gonna help you any more then another weapon type.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 2:05 am

Which pretty much answers any questions about dragons' intellect! :rimshot:

:D

if you mean AI
well it's meant to do that :wink_smile:

if you mean the dragon itself (I'm assuming you did) well they've been gone for a while and maybe they're curious what you are :teehee:

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 9:26 am

Why would you use a spear? A sword works better.

LAWl yeah if you could get CLOSE enough to use it with a pike you at least have a chance of keeping that beastly thing out of eating your head off range.

also

MOD TOOLS TO THE RESCUE.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 1:39 am

The way Todd said it made it sound like there will be pole arms. Just not spears. Halberds... Pikes...?

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 11:33 am

MOD TOOLS TO THE RESCUE.

I don't know, it might be hard to add it to the game if it's not implemented to begin with. It would need perks too.

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 8:56 pm

How do you expect to get enough force to do any damage at all when the creature is either staying just barely within your reach or flying away from you? Only if the flying creature in question was pants on head [censored] and flew directly at your spear would this make any sense.

*Shrug* Anyone who ever dislodge something that's high up with a broom would not disagree.

If there's riders, though, I might just get spears modded back in, to try it out.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 7:17 am

Yeah of course dude... you'd use a long-ass wooden stick with the tip as large as a butter knife to try tu hurt something that has scales that can resist impacts that would blow up a city wall...
I think you deserve a standing ovation... :shakehead:

seriously, if you want to hurt a dragon without cutting it's throat or getting to its heart, you either need some REALLY powerful magic, or some intensely high level of precision, to hit UNDER the scales. that kind of precision would NEVER be achieved with a spear. NEVER :facepalm:

Also, let's admit it, with the aveage motion you would realistically use a spear for, you can't really apply a lot of strength to it....

Seriosuly, stop it with the spear threads. they're probably the most boring weapons ever made. there's realistically no reason to do anything but poking with them, and poking is only frustrating. "oh look! I'm so good! I'm using a weapon 3 times my size, and I keep even the most powerful enemy away, because the system doesn't allow us to do the one move everyone would do when faced with a spear-weilding foe!"

And anyways, these weapons were used to 1 - break the defense of the front line in full frontal assaults and 2 - get rid of the cavalry.
Bringing a spear to an actual fight can only give two results: a )if the guy can't use his head, he'll be afriad and never get close or B ) if he CAN use his head, as soon as you strike he'd get it out of the way and get rid of you fast.

So please, before asking for an over-hyped weapon in the game, at least check out if it would be useful considering most of the encounters you get in ES games... :down:

This

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 12:25 am

Pants. On. Head. [censored].

You'd use a ranged weapon or spell to down the enemy, then go in close for the kill with something that yields a bit more damage against such a scaly hided creature. Either something broad and sharp like a sword to pierce and bleed it, or heavy to smash it.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 9:08 am

Whats wrong with spears?

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 7:56 am

Ice or Electric spell......."It's Super Effective!"

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 12:56 pm

Whats wrong with spears?

The real question is: what the hell is so dramatically bad about not having them?
Before spear would be in, at least have some more interresting weapons. "cat claws", kunai, scimitars, flails, double-bladed swords (Darth-Maul-ish if that's not clear), staves, roped arrows (for traps), a khopesh, a Nekode, improvised weapons (like paddles or broken table legs), etc...

funny how you don't see people begging for those.

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 10:39 pm

Whats wrong with spears?

As in, what do people have against it ? *shrug* Well, speaking personally, I have nothing against the weapon itself - in fact, last Friday, I had no opinion whatsoever. Truly. Didn't use them, didn't think of them. One week of compulsive thread-making - or is it less ? It's difficult to tell, what with the identical spell making ruckus - and cries of the game being ruined over this single absence have quite managed to dry up even my considerable well of patience.

Given my past "no fast travel" Alzheimer posting, it feels like being hit by the Extremely Pedagogic Karma fairy. :mellow:

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 9:52 pm

I don't think Bethesda will force melee characters to adopt another skill just to fight dragons. Maybe the classic thu'um can knock them out of the air for a bit. And the only reason I want spears in the game is because seeing a weapon that is simple, useful (in some situations) and present in the lore disappear after Morrowind was strange. From what I understand spears are out, but some polearms might be in. If there is some type of stick with a point (like halberds or something) I'll be happy.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 1:44 am

Only REAL men use SWORDS to kill dragons.

Only... um... [cough] [cough]... other... people... use spears...

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 9:44 am

and what about common folk who do not have spells or dragon shouts, how will they defend against Dragon attacks? or will they just :ahhh: and get :flamed: until we come? another aspect og the game waiting for you to save the day? hope not.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 1:02 pm

I would throw rocks at the dragon. They'd better give me rocks to throw!

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 11:04 am

they should take away swords to show all these other players how mad we were when spears were taken. I used almost nothin but spears in morrowind.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 11:41 am

The real question is: what the hell is so dramatically bad about not having them?
Before spear would be in, at least have some more interresting weapons. "cat claws", kunai, scimitars, flails, double-bladed swords (Darth-Maul-ish if that's not clear), staves, roped arrows (for traps), a khopesh, a Nekode, improvised weapons (like paddles or broken table legs), etc...

funny how you don't see people begging for those.

Funny how none of those were ever in the game to begin with...and then removed, unlike- you guessed it- spears. About the "next best" would be double-bladed swords, where I suppose one could perhaps count the http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Daedric_Crescent. (Which I'd also like to see again, by the way...I had an Orc melee-monger with that who was loads of fun.)

See, there's this old saying about "You don't know what you've got until it's gone," and all those weapons you listed don't add up since we never had'em to then realize what we'd had when they were taken away.

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 9:41 pm

Oh my god are you serious? Really? Do we really need another spear topic? For real? Is it really so vital to your gaming experience that the lack of one weapon type ruins the game for you? It's one weapon. It is time to let go.

Denial, Anger, Bargaining, Depression, Acceptance.

Let's try to get you to the fifth stage, buddy.

It's true that this topic is a beaten and bloody horse, but the spear WAS one of the most widely used weapons throughout man's history. You'd think they'd implement it cause of that alone, ya know? I mean pretty much every army till the Industrial Revolution used spears. Hell, some still do.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 10:13 am

I would prefer to use a surface-to-air missile than a spear. I guess I would have to settle with magic.

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 10:45 pm

and so would the people of skyrim.

cliffracers were why I first used a spear in morrowind... as not doing so was a severe breach of immersion.

no spears in skyrim is not logical. it makes no sense.

Actually, I would rather use javelins or bow n arrow.