my sweet and terrible melphala
show no mercy and kill all

my sweet sister

and my dearest love

I'd go with Sithis. Why? Cause if you don't, you get chopped up in your sleep... :gun:

This.

Though I voted for the Tribunal since I'm the Patriarch.

I am definitely a follower of the more benevolent Daedric Princes, such as Azura and Boethia. However, I am quite partial to the Cyrodiilic Pantheon as well - that is, prior to the formation of the Imperial Cult and the apotheosis of Talos. I just didn't see the logic in adding Tiber Septim in, making everything a total mess - and, if you ask me, eclipsing the importance and reverence of the other Divines considerably.



PRAISE BE TO THE EIGHT DIVINES!

Other.

If I would actually live in that setting, I would probably know what all these names mean, and know what to choose.

I'd worship all of them, aedra , deadra , they're all good. But what i'd like to see is more rewards for worshiping them.

Ancestor worship, which I essentially practice anyway, and Azura.

Sithis and almost all of the deadra princes :

nine divines ftw

Demanding that all information be doubted is a strange demand, given an action RPG where the entire world and its events are experienced infallibly in a first-person perspective. Even a series like ES has facts, and obscuring them is the choice of the creator, not the default status of the story. Some stories have meanings and most have endings. Likewise, most mysteries have clues, red herrings and solutions. The purpose of the Dwemeri mystery was to provoke investigation and puzzlement, but that was not meant to be the final result.

The Trial was meant to be the end of a different story, and it was not written in the style of a document but as an RP, a third person omniscient perspective. Word of God, then, like the games. And the Dwemeri Word of God reveal you complain about so often was not new lore but a simple confirmation of a conclusion someone else was clever enough to draw. It was necessary, given the sparseness of the facts and the overwhelming attitude that the answer would never be known. So we didn't really learn anything new about Nirn in this objective manner, we just learned that what we knew was correct. The conclusion you call Word of God was actually reached through fallible, natural sources. Ignoring MK's post only removes confidence in its veracity, not the answer itself.

Molag Bal is the ultimate evil lord - almost worse than Mehrunes.

Hes the king of [censored], and the father of VAMPIRES along with INSLAVEMENTS OF MORTALS.

The AlmSiVi, no question about it.

Hermaeus Mora (I voted for good daedra, though I think you cannot describe daedra as good or bad, their character shouldn't be described by our insufficient human morale)

btw I would never worship the nine divines, cause the stupid talos shouldn't be seen as one of the aedra. although the eight divines are somewhat ok.

worship the all maker. So that your body will become clean.

Myself. I just need myself to count on, no one else! Hah.

Besides, I wouldn't want to live based on some religious code. Whether it would be not to kill and help the needles, or do kill and steal.

Dagoth Ur. Purge the N'wah from Morrowind!


Or, like, give dues to whichever happens to be around at the time. Best to keep all gods happy.

That is why it is "Good" and "Bad" not Good and Bad.

This is pretty much how I feel. I'd take on a more scholarly approach.

worship your all maker.

makes sense^^

Word of God is canon, and canon dosen't interest me. The Trial, as far as I care, has the same status as third person omnicient in-game books: Word of Dante.

And as for the Dwemer confirmation, there is a difference between "Character believes A and that seems more likely than B" and "This is fact." The latter means that under any circumstance, discussion is over because the answer is nown for a fact. The former means that while at the moment it seems reasonable, that dosen't mean that new perspectives may be added to change the opinion. And aside from which, once a work of art is released to the public, the intentions of the creator are rendered moot. Even though Shirly Jackson's "The Lottery" was written with no symbolism or deepetr meaning, it does have them because that's what the reader's see.

And let's face facts: if anyone else had said it but MK, you'd be miffed too. Or at least you wouldn't mind my complaints about his (sorry, His) removal of any valid discussion on the subjects he choses to confirm beyond "noob asks question, someone gives answer).

The Old Way.

It's not Word of Dante. You're ignoring this just as you are vastly simplifying the issue. Count the words in Luagar's article on the fate of the Dwemer. Then count the words that exist in MK's supposed Word of God reveal. (If you can even find it, but it wasn't as simple as that. My post said so, but you repeat Word of God like a political slogan.) How many of those words could possibly be the result of a Word of God reveal? How many of the points are certain, without any gaps or mysteries? Very few.

You're acting like there was exciting, fruitful debate over the fate of the Dwemer beforehand, rather than years of reciting the same tired theories. You can't make much of a conclusion in an environment lacking the structure to verify a correct answer. The correct answer was out there, it was just indistinguishable from the other possibilities because the question was so wide open. It's a poor mystery that can't be solved.

Unless you become obsessed with the knowledge that a particular fact (in itself a vague, incomplete hint) exists, the discussion that is actually significant is still possible. The answer we have now reflects the beliefs and goals of the Dwemer in relation to the nature of Aurbis and the teachings of Vivec and Lorkhan. And we know scarcely more than we did before. What went wrong? Why did it happen the way it did? I just had an argument with Dumbkid over whether the Dwemer might have succeeded after all.

In all honesty, your response to the issue sounds a little hysterical. Would your refuse to talk about Nordic history ever again if a dev confirmed that the date of Ysgramor's landing is correct as written?


If the barest details of the Dwemer's fate represented the entire discussion and the confirmation stifled it, then it wasn't a discussion worth having. Absorbicide is just part of it. And now that you bring it up, as I said before, the 'work of art' story of the Dwemer was incomplete. It is now apparently finished. We have all available facts, so now is the time you go run off in improbably directions with the meaning.

Snottiness aside, the Absorbicide answer fits everything MK wrote, so I don't see how it would make a difference. It might have been harder to trust someone who had a smaller role, but the way Luagar puts it, it is hard to rebut and would indicate that the whole story is quite cohesive. I would like to hear the opinions of other devs on the Dwemer now that part of the cat is out of the bag.

But lets put it this way. MK could have revealed the Dwemer with an in-character obscure text strongly hinting in the correct direction. But he didn't. He dropped a few out-of-character hints because he didn't want to introduce any more factors into the equation. He wanted us to work it out as we had before and reward what good work had been done. He wanted the doubt and mystery created by the pre-existing evidence to remain. If he had really wanted to make it an undeniable fact, he could have elaborately explained it in a source text, and unless you disregarded the entire piece of lore, the mystery would be completely over. And it wouldn't be Word of God and you'd have nothing to complain about. So it seems you disagree with his method, not his motive.

As it turns out, I was slightly miffed by hearing the answer, but only because I heard it third-hand and it took a while for people to put it in a compelling, understandable way. I wish there had been an obscure text, so the Dwemer had some final epitaph rather than a hint.