Your honest rating of Fallout 4

Post » Mon Jan 18, 2016 6:02 am

I think it's a 6 out of 10. It's above average (average game is 5, contrary to pretty much any gaming site score ), some of my problems can be fixed or improved but sadly some are not easy to fix.

BTW my scoring system is completely arbitrary honestly, anyhow:


I deduct 1 point because of the dialogue system that includes:

The wheel which was the absolute worst one I've seen in any game + the four mandatory choice system + the lack of investigation type questions + ability to speak with NPC's for a second time + no indication of what option advances the dialogue or is just a question.


I deduct 2 point for the roleplaying aspect of the game which I personally find lacking, this includes the progression system which has it's strengths but ultimately ended up not as diverse as I wanted it to be + Voice Acting which in my opinion added nothing to the game except limitations on our characters + quest design, Now I've not finished the game but until now pretty much any quest I've done resaulted in killing a bunch of guys and saving the day. + the lack of skill/perk/special choices in dialogue, SUCH a shame that one.


I deduct 1 point for the general quality of the game.

The UI is horrible console port.

Graphics customization STILL cannot be done inside the game.

There is no FOV slider, no Vsynch toggle, not even a Brigtness option for god sake.

AMD optimization svcks. They teamed up with Nvidia and gave a huge *** to AMD users. :( I hope they improve this in future.

Frame rates are all over the place, it can go from 60 to 30 just by turning around.

Texture work is not good, modders already made better looking textures which perform better !

Faces and animations although improved relative to Bethesda, don't really get close to recent games.


I will give them props for:

Settlement building.

Companions.

Combat.

Art style.


And... I love to explore the world and will be playing this game for years to come :)
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Laura Simmonds
 
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Post » Mon Jan 18, 2016 5:15 am

9/10



I'm disappointed that, after all these years, Bethesda still hasn't fixed its game engine to prevent game freezes. It's the only game company whose games freeze on my console, so it's definitely their engine. Perhaps we'll see a fix by the time Fallout 2077 comes out.



Piss-poor game conclusion.



Those two items kept this game from being a perfect 10.

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Post » Mon Jan 18, 2016 3:18 am


Is the game called Bethesda 4 or Fallout 4? Cuz I was expecting at least an attempt at a Fallout game, and it certainly wasn't that. I think you're correct, it is Bethesda 4(or technically Bethesda 9).

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Post » Mon Jan 18, 2016 3:58 am



Is Fallout currently ownened by Bethesda or Interplay/Obsidian? If you were expecting Diet Interplay that's no ones fault but your own. I don't sympathize in the slightest and gotwhat I wanted/expected so I'm happy.



A solid 9/10 game despite what any typical hater complains about.
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Post » Sun Jan 17, 2016 6:27 pm


Ownership is irrelevant. Bethesda/Zenimax controls doom, I expect when I buy Doom 4 to get a Doom game. If they bought and controlled Mario, I'd expect a Mario game. When I buy Fallout, I'd like a Fallout game. It looks like a Fallout game, but it isn't a Fallout game, mainly because it isn't an RPG, it is barely an Action RPG. It is a Action game. Have fun killing stuff in Bethesda 9, smoochy boochy.

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Post » Mon Jan 18, 2016 6:24 am

I expect that I'm not going to buy Doom because it's not to my personal tastes. Not sure why people who despise Bethesda-developed games would somehow think they would feel differently about Fallout 4, but for some reason, they buy it anyway. Instead of moving on to some other game that makes them happy, they then continue to rant about it on the forums as if they had no clue what the game would be like when they bought it.



(id software is still developing Doom, by the way. Bethesda is just the publisher.)

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Post » Mon Jan 18, 2016 12:13 am


No, I do not want to be careful with my phrasing. I am not going to apologize for liking this game, and I am not going to prefix every sentence I write with, 'it is my personal opinion...'.



It is already implied that I am writing opinion as opposed to fact when we are on an internet message board talking about game ratings. This isn't a discussion about scientific fact or anything, so the very context of this discussion means there is no need for me to constantly state the fact that this is my personal opinion.





I do admit that from time to time I have let the annoyance of constant whining get to me, and I have shot back with whining and negativity of my own to combat that. For that I will apologize. Eventually the constant arrogance of these hipster wannabe critics that swarm this site grate on my nerves to the point that I say stupid stuff that isn't as logical as I would like it to be.



So for that I am sorry, I'm just tired and worn down by it. I just want to make my mod and create something that makes people happy, I come online in search of inspiration to make my work the best it can be, but between the Bethesda hate club on this website and the Nexus I just end up frustrated.



I think Black Isles did great work and I have a ton or respect for them. I just can't comprehend how people can say Bethesda is not Fallout enough, when it was Bethesda that made Fallout a household name. But I should never have insulted a respectable former company because I wanted to defend Bethesda. That is just as bad as Maxson or the Institute answering anger with more anger, that is what got the world blown up in the first place.




I should not let my passion for my work cloud my judgment.

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Post » Sun Jan 17, 2016 8:33 pm


I'm glad that someone else understands this. Having to put qualifiers in every single sentence is tedious. We're talking about a video game here. Of course our feelings about it are subjective.



That said, thinking people are being negative just to be negative, or cool, or hipsters or whatever, or simply saying that as a way to write off criticism you may not agree with is a foolish stance to take. It's just as stupid as assuming everyone saying they love the game are praising it just because they don't know any better.



You think this game is better than the previous ones. I'm glad you enjoy it. I wish that I could enjoy it as much as you. But despite it being an improvement over Fallout 3 in a lot of ways, its shortcomings hit the game hard. Better companions and combat don't make up for all the flaws this game has, and do it ends up being only a marginal improvement to Fallout 3, and a huge step backward from New Vegas. I'm not saying that to be cool, or to be mean to Bethesda. I'm saying it to be honest, because I like this universe and want to see its games improve, rather than stay the same or regress.



And if you're looking for inspiration, I think the so called "hate club" is where to get it. What is something a lot of people have a problem with? Do you think it's a problem too? Do you think it's a problem you can solve? Then go for it. If the answer to either of those questions is no, then go find another problem that needs fixing.

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Post » Sun Jan 17, 2016 9:18 pm

The problem here is people using the No True Scotsman fallacy:



For example:



Person A: No true fallout game has a voiced protagonist.


Person B: But Fallout 4 has a voiced protagonist


Person A: Yeah but no TRUE Fallout game has a voiced protagonist.



I personally could care less whether other people like the game or not, but saying stuff like the above truly does bug me. It is true that Bethesda have changed many aspects of the Fallout series since they have bought it. Whether they are good or bad is up to you. But to say that Fallout 4 is not a fall,out game because it doesnt have ___ is moronic. They could release a Fallout racing game and that would STILL be a Fallout game, because it has Fallout in the title. Series can evolve and do not have to stay true to the original in order to be a continuation of the series.



Some of the complaints are valid, but saying that it isn't a Fallout game because you can't have slaves is just dumb(especially because you couldn't keep slaves in Fallout 1....)



Edit: Someone also said you can't be evil in Fallout 4 which again boggles the mind. You can sell a child into slavery(yes, there is slavery in the game), you can leave a kid to die in order to cure yourself, you can force an old woman to keep her chem addiction knowing full well it will kill her, and there are many times where you can let someone go and instead kill them (Darla, Jake, Virgil, Danse, etc.). Again, if you want to complain at least complain about something accurate.

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Post » Sun Jan 17, 2016 6:23 pm

There are [censored] on both sides though. There are the ones that will love the game without questioning anything, and there are the ones that will hate on it because its the popular opinion on Metacritic and Reddit. I guess my problem comes from people not taking the time to try out the game, or atleast get some more solid information on it. Bashing something for the sake of bashing it seems like a waste of time and unfair to said product, and the people who worked on it. There are plenty of games i do not like, and as such i avoid them and if people ask me about them i will give my honest opinion to why i not like it, but i will not drag down a product that someone spent years of their life making.



Even if the people at Bethesda never read those comments they are still unnecessary. Constructive criticism is needed, and i am glad there is people giving some, but rating the game with a 1? How is that even possible?. If you do not like certain elements of it there is no way this game is a 1 in any rating, unless 1 is the best. It has problems, but it also has alot of quality and thought put behind it. If people would take the time to see that and rate it fairly then there would be no need for any Internet crusades. Alas it is the Internet and thus the battle is already lost.

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Post » Sun Jan 17, 2016 9:37 pm

8/10



Could be a 9 or 10 with fewer bugs & oversights.

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Post » Sun Jan 17, 2016 3:23 pm

8.5/10, 9/10 once the kinks are worked out.



20/10 when the CK mods are out.

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Post » Sun Jan 17, 2016 11:31 pm

7/10



I'd love some more dialogue options. Like convincing the insitute scientists that humans don't have free will either :chaos:

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Post » Mon Jan 18, 2016 4:41 am


With all do respect, I am not here to 'fix' anyone's game, because I believe Fallout 4 is in the top 5 games ever made without mods.



I know you don't intentionally mean to insult anyone by saying such, but I do honestly find it insulting that people view modders in such a way. I am here to create new content for the game I think is great, and maybe in some way prove that my ideas are as good as I think they are. I am not here to 'fix' a game that is not broken. I want to bring joy to as many people as possible and move the industry forward through proving what can be done, as opposed to whining about what wasn't done.



I think Fallout 4 beats New Vegas hands down, in my mind there is no competition between the two, New Vegas is not even comparable to how fun Fallout 4 was. Fallout 4 is somewhere between a 9 and a 10 for me, and New Vegas sits around a 7. Maybe I am just sick of looking at the freaken desert, as I live in the Mohave and have to drive through the desert to get to work every day, but I just never found New Vegas to be a fun videogame.





I totally respect you opinion that you like New Vegas, but I just don't think it compares to Fallout 4 in any way... It is kind of boring honestly...



I have never in my life played a single player videogame for more than 100 hours until Fallout 4 came along. In high school when I had no responsibilities and no ability to flirt with girls, so as a result I had tons and tons of free time, I played games like Final Fantasy X for 67 hours and KOTOR for 58 hours... Everyone I worked with and everyone in the rock band I was in played Halo 3, so I played that on multiplayer for 100+ hours, won a couple hundred dollars in tournaments, but that was more for the social aspect of hanging with my real world friends, people I would see the next day at school or at my job,



But in my advlt life where I had other things to worry about, the only game that has ever came close was when I played Mass Effect 3 for the second time back in 2014 with all the downloadable content, and that only lasted me 55 hours. The first time I played Mass Effect 2 and 3 I only got about 25 hours out of each, it was only when I revisited them both in 2014 that I got over 80 hours between the two games. (though slightly off topic, I do have to say that Mass Effect 2 was the game that came out during the time I hit rock bottom in my personal life, and those 25 hours of playing through it pretty much saved me from my alcohol addiction and the dark path I was heading down back in 2010... It was the escape I needed, and as a result no game will ever mean as much to me as Mass Effect 2.)



Fallout 4 alone got me to over 100 hours without me even noticing it... That is just crazy to me, considering it has no dlc and it is just one single game. Yes, it began to slow down around 95 hours, but for that week and a half from November 10th through November 20th Fallout 4 consumed me in a way I don't even know how to explain. I am 26 years old now, with a respectable job and several girls that want to date me, I shouldn't like a videogame this much, I don't want to like a videogame this much, but I do.



I hate myself for it, but I really do like Fallout 4 that much.





So anyways, I really do respect the opinion that other games have done certain aspects better, and I really will do my best to draw from the strengths of all these games to make my future mods the best they can be... And I really am sorry if I have been overly emotional and lost my logic in discussions because I was worn down by the weight of hate filled posts. But I really care about the future of the industry, and I really feel that Bethesda is going in the direction that is best for the masses.



I truly am sorry for the minority that loves computer rpgs like Fallout 1 and 2... I have had many thing in my life go down the drain because the general public decided to go a different direction, the very music I loved was killed out in order to make room for the grunge era and all the bands that followed. I know your pain and I am truly sorry you have been left behind... The fact that Black Sabbath, the band that first introduced the concept of grunge music back in 1969, was decimated to a band that couldn't even sell out a single show in the 1990s Tony Martin era depresses me as a guitarist to this day, because those albums to me were brilliant... But in the end the general public decided that bands like Pearl Jam and Nirvana defined the decade and I can do nothing less than comply and accept the inevitable that people will forget that the Tony Martin Era of Black Sabbath ever existed and made the brilliant albums like Tyr and Cross Purposes.



Even when you talk about the great Ronnie James Dio, people forget that some of his greatest work came from the Dehumanizer album with Black Sabbath... It was art simply born in the wrong decade... and no matter how much I love it, it will always be forgotten by the mainstream music industry... You will never hear songs like 'I' played on the radio, because the mainstream media simply went a different direction.



I have to accept that those albums mean nothing to pop-culture, and it makes me sad on the same level it makes you sad that Fallout 1 and 2 are forgotten in favor of the new and progressive Fallout 4.



In this particular case, as a Bioware fan and someone who's dream job is being a writer for a game like Mass Effect, I am on the side that Bethesda chose as the future of their game. But that doesn't mean I don't have sympathy for those that have been left out in the process, because that has been me in almost everything else that has happened in my entire life.




So I guess long story short, I am both sorry and not sorry for what I believe to be true. Take that how you will, but I truly want to spread joy with my work, and not hate, so if I have caused any hate I am honestly as sorry as anyone could ever be.

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Post » Mon Jan 18, 2016 6:15 am

6



An average score for a game that belongs last gen, and would be average even by last gen standards.



The people who gave it 10 are a joke.

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Post » Mon Jan 18, 2016 6:59 am

I hate rating games. And I'm a game reviewer for my community. Numbers are so arbitrary. I like the game. I would recommend it to others. Now whether or not they feel the same way about it is completely up to their preference. Me slapping a number on it won't change that. I could rate Ride to Hell Retribution (I think that's what it was called) a 10/10, but does that somehow mean it's going to live up to that? No.


I wish number ratings were done away with completely. And any and all reviews were just left with their honest opinions, leaving to te viewer/reader to make up their own assumptions rather than saying, "oh this game got a 9.5/10 IT MUST BE GOOD IGN WOULD NEVER LIE TO ME!!!


Sorry for this rant. It's late.
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Post » Sun Jan 17, 2016 6:59 pm


Like I said, I'm glad you enjoy Fallout 4 so much more than I do. I wish I liked it more. I don't like not liking it as much as other people. But it just doesn't have any staying power right now. I've played it, I've had fun, but I don't see me coming back to it over and over again. Maybe the modding community will change that by creating the kinds of things I was looking for that this game is so utterly lacking in.



I haven't played Fallouts 1 and 2. I've only played the last three games. I'm not sad they've been forgotten because I haven't experienced them. If I do play them, I'll probably like them, but that's irrelevant to my feelings about Fallout 4. I'm sad that Fallout 4 is so focused on combat and has thrown dialogue trees, bountiful speech and skill checks, and resolving quests in multiple ways, and other elements I think are very important, to the wolves to make room for more and more combat. That's not the way I think the industry, or the series, should progress, especially when Todd Howard loves to go on about how important player freedom is to the company. I'm not looking for the ability to side with Alduin or challenge Dagoth Ur to a dance battle.



I've probably played Fallout 4 for 30 hours or so, counting time I left the machine on to do other things. A third of that was my first session because my roommate wasn't home and I had nothing else to do. For an RPG guy like me, that's nothing. I typically get one or two games a year (at most), so I make them last, be it through exploration or grinding. But this time I went ahead and finished the game quickly because it didn't feel like there was a lot to do, and what there was wasn't fun enough to keep me from doing the MQ instead. Now I don't expect I'll be going back to it until I have a PC, the complete edition is on sale, and the modding community has had a chance to showcase its talents.

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Post » Mon Jan 18, 2016 7:03 am


Incredible, there seems to be a fallacy for everything. This one is only a small part of the many that polute the Fallout forums around the internet.



What I don't understand are those people who seem to get angry when they see other people enjoying this game a lot, and they later try to lecture them on why they shouldn't like this game. I am glad I went in the dark before buying Fallout 4 and I didn't browse the internet for like 2 weeks, or else who knows if my opinion would've been different right now.

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Post » Mon Jan 18, 2016 2:02 am

If the DLC s as epic as I hope, after bug fixes and free updates I can see this game becoming one of the best of all time. Then when the mods start coming too imagine how this game will be in 2 years from now.

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Post » Mon Jan 18, 2016 6:08 am

People like to drag others down with them, and its quite exhausting. It happens everywhere though, at school, at work, at forums like these. Not sure what they get out of it, or maybe they want everyone to be as miserable and negative as they are. Such is life. Rise above it, have fun and do what you want to do.

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A fallout racing game would be a spin off. There is Universe and a Fallout RPG that is supposed to be part of a series, a sequel.



I have never said keeping slaves. Now, it would be a nice factor in the game if instead of settlers you had slaves, if you were a slaver, but you can't be a slaver. Can't capture people and make them slaves. I don't consider selling a kid into slavery as being a slaver, just like I don't find one option as being able to play out a role. You can walk up and kill an innocent in Skyrim or FO 4, but that doesn't make you an assassin, but if you join DB or the non-existent merc group in FO 4 that hires you to do such things on a regular basis, then you are, playing that role. So randomly going around being selfish, randomly murdering people, selling one person in the entire game into slavery, isn't being allowed to role play evil or role play a slaver or role play an assassin. All that stuff you can do in every FO game ever, btw, just randomly shooting people, you can walk up to Tandi in NCR in FO 2 and blow her brains out all over the wall, for no reason than to just do it, but that isn't role playing anything other than a psychopath, no quests or story arcs that take this into account, and that is what role playing evil entails, having the quests and story arc that would fit an evil character. Instead, what you get to roleplay is a dike, who agrees to help and agrees to do something, and then at last minute, pull an ass move and be like "no". Hell, an evil person wouldn't even agree to do the quest in the first place, yeah, I'm gonna agree to go wipe out the Forged, risk my life to get this sword, just so at the very end of the quest I gonna kill Jake, for the lolz. Or, I'm gonna risk my life to find a cure for a kid, just so at the end of it, and this will be the punchline, I can say "nah I keep". Why on earth would an evil person who cares only about themselves and their own well being and their own wealth, accept job to begin with? The evil option is telling em no at the start, and the problem is you go through the entire game doing that, the game will hit a stand still, no way to progress, because in order to progress you have to say yes.



Being evil and having options in the game to do so are a hell of a lot more than saying No or letting someone die or at a few select times pulling the trigger yourself. Being evil would be selling every single one of your companions into slavery, joining said slavers, going on missions for said slavers, going around and enslaving everyone you can to earn a buck. Joining a merc crew that takes on assassination missions. Killing off the Minutemen for good(impossible, Preston Garvey is essential except maybe until endgame? I wouldn't know). Joining the Gunners. Taking over a raider clan. Those would be actual role playing options, quests, paths, and a hell of a lot more than "nah" "no" and "me kill u now ha ha lolz". I want to be able to role play it, not just have some garbage like Hatred that serves no purpose.

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Post » Sun Jan 17, 2016 8:13 pm

An weak 8. Most is excellent: fighting is great fun, love the environment including the vertical ones. Love the new difficulty with smarter and more lethal enemies. Crafting is fun.


Weaknesses is the PC interface and settler handling also quests related to settlements. This is however things who is easy to mod.


main / faction quests are pretty decent.



The real bumper who stop the game from being an 10 / 10 is the dialogue system and stuff I assume is consequences of it.


I play Fallout as an action game so its not that large catastrophe for me but still an horrible system, yes I use the dialogue patch who is an huge improvement and the 8 / 10 is with it.


I kind of like the female voice: voice acting != idiot dialog system

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Post » Mon Jan 18, 2016 3:13 am

6/10


Sad to say.


-can't be evil

-no karma system

-dialogue choices are extremely limited

-not a real huge variety of guns

-super repetitive radiant quests

-terrible main story

-super pissed I lost classical radio station...........

-stupid ai companions

-hella bugs

-overall world seems small

-can't craft ammo wtf

-music stations limited


That said I've still put in 150 hours. I got my money's worth and still like the game. It's just so weird they've been working in this game for so long but it really feels like fallout 3.5 instead of a game on a next gen console.


Here's hoping future dlc is good and they fix many bugs.
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Post » Mon Jan 18, 2016 5:20 am

9/10 The most fun I've had playing a game in a long time.



Once they release the modding tools and some DLCs it will be a perfect 10 for me.

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Post » Mon Jan 18, 2016 4:53 am

5/10



Let's just say I love Beth games and they all get a 10 for how good they are.



Minus 2 points for feeling outdated thanks to the engine and all of the problems that show up which need not be there.



Minus 2 points for feeling like a straight-up shooter and not an RPG.



Minus 1 point for blocky feet without separated toes, just like F3/NV.

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