Once the dragon cult was destroyed they claimed the empty Reach. The land's likely been theirs for ages, they have more right to it then the Nords. They're considered savages because they stay true to the old gods and the old ways which is hypocritical of Nords as they're going through similar treatment from the Thalmor who consider them savages.

The Reach is theirs and the Nords should respect it, they would have an ally of many tribes at their side in the fight against the Empire/Dominion.

No, they're considered savages because they sacrifice humans and use foul magic like turning women into bird hags. Reading descriptions of their camps says there are human entrails piled up with goat skulls and then obviously the hags themselves are pretty hideous. Would you like to live next door to that? Still, nobody bothers the Boethiah cultists even though they do shady things- except the Vigilants, who are just freaks in the other direction. It's because the Forsworn are attacking settlements and cities that they're getting pounded on. There is a difference.

edit- Also, if you think the Forsworn are going to ally with the Nords or imperials, I suggest you read http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:The_Legend_of_Red_Eagle and consider the very definition of what it means to be Forsworn.

"Once the dragon cult was destroyed, they claimed the empty reach."

"They have more right to it then the Nords."

Do you not see how that is contradictory? And anyway, the Nords took it back, so why should they respect that? Conquest. The Nords are not hypocritical because one, no one said Nords were fighting for everyone's freedom, and two, these old ways involve human sacrifice and apparently kidnapping little girls. How in the world do you stick up for that?

Forsworn are the best practice/training dummies in the Game.

The Forsworn desecrated a Temple to Kyne, and have earned My characters wrath

as said above the Falmer and Dwemer were in the reach first, well before the Nords OR bretons ever even knew about it. Nords lived in Alinor and Bretons came even after that. considering though the original 2 races are gone, i guess they ARE the earliest race their, so i am not sure what to think, i will go with horny headgear.

yeah, and the nords came AFTER the falmer and dwemer. Elves were around well before any of the races of man (nord, imperial, and POSSIBLY reguard)

EDIT: http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Skyrim

"Though currently inhabited primarily by http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Nord, the http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Mer who they replaced had resided there since time immemorial."

Um... what?

Everyone came from Tamriel. The earliest era of recorded history is called the Merethic because the elves ruled the latter part of it. That doesn't mean the elves were there before anyone else. The Ehlnofey and Wandering Ehlnofey all came from Tamriel. All the playable races are indigenous to Tamriel. For that matter, the beast peoples were the ones who actually occupied Tamriel before the elves came back there from Aldmeris. So, elves go home!

Did you not read my post? No, the dwemer arrived in Skyrim after the nords were already there, since the late merethic era.

And if you read the Nord creation myth, or read about the ehlnofey, you'd see that sentence is bull.

sorry, mistype. meant Atmora

Argonians have lived in Black marsh and that is about it, never touched Skyrim,

Also, please then, explain why EVERY page on the UESP AND all the books about the dwemer and falmer talk about them being the first to settle Skyrim

Nope, please read:

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Ehlnofey

This talks about the ones from tamriel becoming the Elves, not any of the human races. The ones that became human were the wanderers who LEFT tamriel.

They are terrorists, not courageous enough to attack soldiers, people who can actually fight. They attack merchants, travellers, people who can't fight. Maybe their cause is just but they use very poor means to sustain it.

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Children_of_the_Sky? http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Before_the_Ages_of_Man?

Except the one I just quoted? Please read:

When this war occurred is not clear, but the http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Aldmer are said to have left their doomed and ruined continent and colonized southwest Tamriel in the Middle http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Merethic_Era,^{http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Ehlnofey#cite_note-BTAOM-2http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Ehlnofey#cite_note-PGE3All-6} only to spend many centuries fruitlessly searching for their old homeland.^{http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Ehlnofey#cite_note-FOTN-8}

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Ehlnofey

The ones who left Tamriel were never in Tamriel?

yeah, it actually does say that :icecream:read it:

It was in the Late Merethic Era that the pre-literate humans, the so-called "http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Nede", from the continent of http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Atmora (also 'Altmora' or 'the Elder Wood' in Aldmeris) migrated and settleed [http://www.uesp.net/wiki/UESPWiki:Spelling#Quotes] in northern Tamriel.

The original race is long gone, the ones that BECAME the human races left WELL before they could be considered Human.

Using that logic, the elves weren't there either because they weren't elves then. And as for the quote, MK says the Nedes weren't Atmorans.

if you actually read those articles/books/pages it talks about elves being the first race to explore Tamriel after they landed on the Summerset isles.

That quote is about the return of the Atmorans to Tamriel. We all know about that. The question is what happened long before that.

And the original elves went to Aldmeris before they started coming back to Tamriel saying they owned the place and enslaving all the locals. Sound familiar?

All this is a big rabbit trail to say that talk about indigenous peoples this and that in Tamriel is nonsense. You can say "it's mine because I was here longer," but not "I was here first." Or you can just be honest and say the land belongs to whoever can hold it and the Forsworn can't do that. Probably because everyone, Bretons included, hates them all equally.

I read those years ago, and most TES fans know it isn't true.

I'll also point out that the Skyforge is so old, no one knows when it was made, and it's clearly in worship of Kyne...

Never said i agreed with the forsworn, i was only talking about how they were NOT the first, nor were the nords, the original Elven inhabitants are long gone (well, 1 disappeared, and 1 beastial). I said that originally as a joke about how the (now insane/beastial) Falmer would technically be the ones who are the original owners.

oh, yes clearly, it is not as if there is a version of Kyne in nearly EVERY religion. and, not it is not clear, this is again, just you pulling stuff out of nowhere

*head desk* this is obviously you just having no other way to defend your argument. even if they ARE false, they are also the only ones that even TALK about that era.

Kyne was the first, and she was aligned with the Nords since the beginning. As for me not being able to defend my argument...lol, I provided links and references already contradicting the link you provided that even MK dismisses.

edit: And it is pretty clear. It's the SKY FORGE, with the depiction of a hawk or eagle in close proximity to the Throat of the World, where Nord's ancestors came from.

The elves weren't original! Not more than anyone else! For that matter, there are human tribes who never went to Atmora or Yokuda, they stayed in Tamriel the whole time. So the Nedic tribes have as much claim to being "original" as anyone. That line of argument is just nonsense if you really look at the lore. And I don't mean read a couple UESP articles summarizing stuff, but look at the actual sources.

Actually it would be interesting if the Skyforge is a symbol of Auriel rather than Kyne, but that's quite a stretch. Anyway it's irrelevant for reasons stated above.

They are the true owners of the reach but I'm not entirely supportive of them attacking innocent people, then again you never know who is a spy and who isn't. The Nords of the Reach are incompetent and corrupt, they have no place running it because we see how they run it, just look at Markarth, it's truely owned by the silver-bloods, nothing but slavers and bullies who use a backwards philosophy of "three strikes and you're in the prison forever doing manual labor" a system that is mocked even in the real world.